Fionn Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Well, I hope that got your attention. Basically BTS wants to know your opinion on the issue of TCP/IP shipping with the game with a consequent delay to get it in vs shipping the game (minus TCP/IP) ASAP and then releasing a small patch for TCP/IP for download. From the math I've done it actually looks to me like everyone will get TCP/IP about a month earlier if they receive the game without TCP/IP and simply download the patch due to the whole shipping time thing but BTS wants to put it to a vote so you all have your say. http://www.thegamers.net/events/eventinfo/BFPoll.html There's also info there about the specifics and options etc. ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hough Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Just my two cents on the issue... I think PBEM works better generally for cm. (not that I've tried the alternative) But since it is turn-based, and most turns take a good 10 minutes or so to complete, you might as well play PBEM. I also feel that tcp/ip play may well cause the players to rush through their turns a bit, so as to not hold things up for the other guy. Now, tcp/ip does have its advantages, mostly in speed of play, particularly if both sides will be plotting their turns at the same time, but also has the disadvantage that you have to be more focused on cm, and can't get as much other stuff done. I expect it will be useful for tournament play, where speed does make a difference. Also, since the people who will be getting cm are going through the website anyway, and those concerned with tcp/ip play will have net connexions, there's no real chance of people who want it missing the tcp/ip update, so it makes sense for us all to get everything sooner. -John Hough Just correcting a couple typos. btw, another disadvantage of tcp/ip is that you can't play 2-3 games at once. [This message has been edited by John Hough (edited 12-06-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Balaban Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Will the serial connection work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySShockeD Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Just read the post from John, I can only agree. Give us the game as soon as possible. SySShockeD [This message has been edited by SySShockeD (edited 12-06-99).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howardb Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 TCP/IP connection is important yes but not as important as getting the game ASAP (I'll probably be fooling around in single player a bit anyway). It's great that BTS asks us first tho.. name one other developer that did that.. just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Wilder Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Very valid point, John. Though turns don't always take that long, it still would be more convenient to do PBEM. That is a personal opinion, of course. Just to be able to get two people together today for head-to-head is hard. I opt for going as is... ------------------ Dirctor of Scenario Design, The Gamers Net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Stone Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Greetings all.... The prize looms large ahead !!! Just placed my order, and I SAY SHIP !!!! Skip TCP/IP for now, since it is only a portion of the total package. Send it as a download later. When BTS thinks the product is ready (without TCP/IP) SHIP IT !!!! STEVE STEVE STEVE STEVE STEVE.... in my order I sent the wrong home email addy. Typical huh ?!!? I sent correction to sales@battlefront.com IT SHOULD BE: dstone01@msn.com Sorry & thanks ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulf Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Ship The Game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billcarey Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Ship it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted December 6, 1999 Author Share Posted December 6, 1999 Just one quick point: Saying things here doesn't count... If you say it here but don't vote there then it doesn't count for anything. No-one's tabulating anything by hand from here . So, just be sure to make your vote there rather than thinking saying "ship it" here will be registered. I'm just not sure everyone's understood that distinction and want to be sure. ------------------ ___________ Fionn Kelly Manager of Historical Research, The Gamers Net - Gaming for Gamers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesy Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Ship it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trooper Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Just one little item for the point of view of the producers... Since this isn't exactly a mass-marketed game, to help advertise it, aren't they going to rely on 5-star ratings in reviews and so on? To ship a game with less than complete functionality might result in the loss of a half-star on the rating. That said, I'd rather have a hold of the game sooner rather than later! Much though I appreciate the chance to vote on it, I'm not going to. This is a design and creation question for the designers, and I feel should be decided by them. DWH Manic Moran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS_PanzerLeader Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Any review give would hopefully base the gmae on its merits and note the fact there is a free add on for TCP/IP coming shortly and also the fact that a vote was taken by the consumer. This could only make BTS look better in my book any reviewer not wanting to take that into account should wait to review until teh tcp/ip version is released :-P SS_PanzerLeader...out PS i think the scenario editor and the single player abilities of the gmae will keep us so busy we probably won't notcie until they actually give us the update lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS_PanzerLeader Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 and yes my billiesoft speelcheeker is on the blink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
risc Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Release CM without TCP/IP now (which is January right ?) and then give us the networking patch when it's ready, I trust BTS. The AI is good enough to play with for a while anyway and PBEM will do for now as well... peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbo Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 S H I P I T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 I voted ship. Not sure I'll ever use TCP/IP, want to though. One point, there's a typo in the poll. It says, "Yes, Ship How". We know what you meant, but it looks pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rommel Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 GOD DAMN fionn don't do that to us! got me jittery thought you were about to say its shipping! hehe as for the vote, tcip will be a luxery, sort of like doom game, personally i think PBEM makes it more strategy, you think about your turns more. SHIP IT! do tcip on a patch sometime later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Ship it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkEzra Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 No need to delay game. I appreciate you taking a straw vote and know the BTS people don't like the idea of "almost got it, but here it is" release dates. This case merits no delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hangr18 Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Ship that bad boy!....I'm dyin here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 We want the game and you need the proceeds ( I would imagine ). Let's ship!! chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Maragoudakis Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 Ship it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Major Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 I'm opposed on principle to incomplete games being shipped to stores but since 99%+ of the people ordering this game will be doing so off the web, these same people won't have trouble getting the patch. TCP/IP play will be a very important feature in the final game even though I plan on doing some PBEM. I VOTE FOR THE PATCH. I think a chess-clock-type function would improve TCP/IP play a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley desrosiers Posted December 6, 1999 Share Posted December 6, 1999 well, I vote ship the game, it's not a crime to catch up later, PBEM works just fine. And I'm envious of the beta tester having all the fun with all the new updates to the game. With all the hard work the boys have done you can't ask for more and who cares what the gameing mags say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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