CHEqTRO
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Just now, DesertFox said:
Wasn´t aware that the lunatic has some sort of contact phobia...
Yeah, he seems that since the start of COVID is extremely paranoid of getting close to people. That surely is not helping its mental health, thats for sure.
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A whole convoy of russian forces found abandoned by civilians. I hope the ukranian forces or the civilians themselves are disabling them, so they cannot be retaken by the Russians
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Ukranian civilians protesting in the city of Berdyansk the Russian ocupation of it.
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8 minutes ago, Lethaface said:
Looking at the map I'd say unless there are virtually no UKR forces in the west, I don't think cutting of the West in a couple of days is something doable for Belarus / Rus forces from Belarus, if at all.
Maybe the intention is not so much to cut-off Poland form Ukraine (Althought they surely would like that), but to put pressure in Lviv. As the thing stands right now, if Kyiv falls, there is a big chance the Ukranian goverment will relocate to Lviv and keep on fighting. Maybe they think that if they start getting close to the Lviv, enough to put pressure on it, not even really take it or surround it, the Ukranian government would decide that going into the city is to risky and they either get out of the country, establishing a government in exile and thus losing legitimacy, or maybe even accept defeat.
It will tie forces in western ukraine that could be being used on the east or Kiev nonetheless, so that might be the reason, and not so much the territory itself
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Unexpectedly, the peace agreements have as of now failed.
Either, like I said yesterday, they are going to double down until Ukraine capitulates, or they are going to see if they can achieve success in Mariupol, and take it before the peace talks, so they can push for taking control of the Full Donbass in the peace agreements. They could also be waiting to see what cames about the push from Brest to Western Ukraine. A cut-off from Poland would put Ukraine in a dangerous position.
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6 minutes ago, arkhangelsk2021 said:
Oh about the rights to conscience, the rights to freedom of expression. If you can't even choose not to speak up, you have neither. And anyone that thinks measly compensation can really do more than take the worst bite off a firing is just kidding himself. But let's try it this way, how OK would you be if an American company ordered one of its employees to denounce the Iraq War, or else. That would at the very least be very controversial.
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19 minutes ago, arkhangelsk2021 said:
Search for the below text in the article:
And don't give me free-to-fire logic. "At-will" employment is American that doesn't have play in Europe. In Europe, for better or worse, workers have rights, and you can only fire for cause. Refusing to do express a stance in a subject clearly not work-related does not cut it.
Okey, this is getting ridiculous so I am going to answer to this and then stop cluttering this what once was a thread about the course of the war and its strategic implications instead of the stupid dumpsterfire that it is now:
If he gets fired, then, as any other person, he will get his due compensation. As any other european fired form his job ever. Or dou you think that every time one european gets fired from his job we call the human rights tribunal at Geneva? There is nothing stopping anyone from firing other person, the problem is that then said person gets a compensation. That is of course if the guy had a contract, if not, there is no obligation to do so.
So yeah, I repeat myself now again, what exact right is being infringed here, and how, that you have been dodging this question because you know that what you wrote was stupid demagogy, dont think that we didnt notice, all of this equate to westerners denying their rights to Russians as a whole?
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7 minutes ago, arkhangelsk2021 said:
I don't expect you to drip in sympathy. I expect you, as a Westerner purporting to uphold rights, to uphold this guy's right to at least choose silence as his response. The article does not say he's singing the praises of Putin or anything of that sort. It's when we have to defend the rights of those we might not like very much, to resist the urge to punch those we don't like, or maybe even suffer a real penalty from upholding them, that we demonstrate our commitment to rights.
In this instance, the Russians have certainly displayed the limitations of their ability to respect Ukraine's sovereignty. However, as I point out, their ability to respect Ukraine's sovereignty in the face of adversity is not zero either. It's just not as high as you like, and perhaps not as high as objectively should be.
And if you can't even defend the right of this guy just for inconveniencing the West to the extent that they can't use his testimony as a propaganda, how can you reasonably and fairly expect anyone else to value the rights of other entities, when your own ability to do so is so near zero?
But what infringed rights are you talking about? They are asking for him to not play in an orchestra, not his ****ing head XDD
And still, how would this equate to the westerners not respecting the rights of Russians as a whole?
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10 minutes ago, arkhangelsk2021 said:
No they didn't. They declared war against Ukraine. The West chose to interpret it as an "open war" against them. They can say it defies everything the West believes in, but even if that's so, that's still a choice of the West.
Sigh. Ukraine its a country wich has made its intention to join both the EU and NATO clear, and this desire has been generally aknowledged by the west.
A direct invasion against a sovereign country form another which has decided that it doenst deserve such sovereignity, is a threat to the mantainment of international law which mantains the current western dominated world order. All previous war till now could have been sold as civil wars for the most part, and the actual state agains state wars were extremily rare and outside of Europe.
Ukraine economy its entwined with the economies of Germany and Poland, and hence the EU. Its lost to a power, who has for the last 15 years tried to destroy the EU from inside, has comitted political murder on our soil, and blackmails us with gas would be a security threat to those countries.
The security situation of Rumania, Poland and the Baltic states deteriorates drastically if Ukraine falls, all of them EU countries and as such, the EU and NATO in general.
This is just to sum up, so yeah, first of all, Ukraine IS part of the west. Second of all, Putin had already declared war to our countries a long time ago. The difference is that European politicians can no longer hide from that fact. Hence the change in police from Germany and France
Also, yeah, I do not know if you have read my post as well, but I will repeat myself, I do not see why Putin cronies, who have sustented in Power, and have indirectly or directly allowed this war to happen, should have any sympaty, really; and I do not see how that is thinking that russians deserve no rights
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12 minutes ago, Molnár Norbert said:
Yet I knew Westerners were tolerant. I don't think it bothered when the Ukrainians terrorized the minorities !?
XDDD What terrorized minorities? Where are all the oppressed Ukranians going to receive with flowers the Russian liberators? Have you seen what has been the reaction of the Russian speaking populace till now, even in regions like Mariupol, Odessa and Kharkiv? They do not seem too happy with their liberation. I am sure that there are people in the citie of Donestk and Luhansk with valid grievances towards Kyiv, but that you tell me that Ukraine its terrorizing its population? XDDDDDD
12 minutes ago, Molnár Norbert said:You're more likely to learn Arabic .... dude
XDDDDDDDDDD
One more for Bingo
One thing that surprised me about the invasion, is that, in contrary to what I expected, there was not a huge push for the control of the narrative from the Pro-russian part. As like they were shocked and thrown of guard by the invasion. I was expecting a huge influx of bots, and recently made accounts to came with the old slogans and the old-ass propaganda that we were accostumed. Yet, there was nothing.
Unfortunetly, it seems the army of the recently made accounts has finally made its appearence, as I started seeing it active both in Twitter, Reddit, and other forums, were they had remained somewhat silent till now. It seems thay have decided to make their appearence in this humble forums as well
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Seems like the Belorussian army is preparing to join the invasion. Due to its position near Brest, its likely they will try to cut off the Polish-Ukranian border, now that European lend-lease has turn into a reality. Lets see how the Belarussians perform. They have had more time to prepare their logistics than the initial Russian offensive, so I guess they will perform better? Also, as the tweet says, note the red square. We have a new symbol in our hands.
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32 minutes ago, arkhangelsk2021 said:
As all too often, Westerners don't believe in Russians having rights:
The Russian state has declared open war against the west. What did you and the rest of russians expected? A note of concern with some vodzka? I do not think that common Russians in the west should be harassed in any way of form, but Putin cronies? They can go **** themselves.
Also, you are equating that some italians booed a Putin friend as that we westerners think that Russians dont deserve rights. Thats some mental gymnastics right there
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1 minute ago, Haiduk said:
Kyiv mayor says the Russian troops have closed off all exits from the city, civilians can’t exit.
This is fake. There is no such statement of Vitaly Klychko
Really? Good to hear. I supposed that he meant that those route were under artillery direct range and hence why civilians couldnt exit; as a russian breakthrought would have been strange considering the overall situation. But if its a fake, the better
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THIS IS ACTUALLY FAKE! I will leave there in order that the conversation below has some sense, but yeah, I ate up a russian fake news
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It also seems that Berdyansk has fallen without to much resistance, and, in conjunction with 2000 marines that landed in the proximity, Mariupol is about to be encircled, if it hasn been alredy.
Also, unsurprisingly:
26 minutes ago, borg said:So - asking for myself, in all sincerity - what does it mean to the average Russian living in Russia ? Can they work, buy food and goods ? What happens to cost of living ?
What Steve said really. Suppossedly there are russians that have already lost their jobs because of this.
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It has been complete free fall for all day for the ruble. And it doesnt seem its going to stop there
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Also, it seems that the Turks are going to go ahead and partially close the bosphorus:
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2nd Nagorno Kharabakh War vibes
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The swedes are also going to send some missiles as well, after all
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S300/400 being launched in Belarus. Against what, I dont know
Edit: I initialy thought that these were anti-air missiles, but some people are claiming that those are ballistic missiles, so IDK
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39 minutes ago, Sgt Joch said:
Well that is the mistake people make of assuming Putin is not a rational actor. Does anyone really believe the Russian military/GRU would leave him in charge of nuclear weapons if he was crazy?
Putin has said in the past removing Russia from SWIFT would be considered an act of war, sanctioning the Russian Central Bank which could potentially cause the collapse of the Russian economy is on the same level.
The situation is analogous to the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. JFK would have been quite ready to trigger a nuclear war if the Russians did not back down and pull their missiles from Cuba.
Putin may be bluffing, but it is the same dilemna the West has been facing recently, are we ready to risk a nuclear war over Ukraine?
As @Aragorn2002 puts it, if we succumb towards nuclear blackmail once, there is no stopping there. Where is the line drawn of wether a country is worth saving and which country is not? Is worth to risk war for Poland or Rumania as well?
The disconnect of SWIFT is not plainly punitive, is done in order to protect the countries in the eastern flank of NATO, to counterbalance the shift in the balance of power that the conquest of Ukraine by Russia would entail. So if Ukraine falls, its either start doing that, or see how the eastern NATO flank desintagrates with the passing of time, either by economic or military pressure, or direct kinetic action.
So in fact yes, we should risk war for Ukraine, as its fall without repercusion would be disastrous to the EU and the eastern NATO countries, and as such, NATO and US defense strategy as a whole.
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29 minutes ago, Haiduk said:
Any territorial concessions from our side are impossible. Our army and society got courage and will not allow such deals. I assume possibility of neutral status only. Ukranian society pleased to NATO for a weapon, but dissappointed because of "deep concerning" policy and fear in front of Russia. Year ago Putin also either prepared invasion or just trained it, but B-52s in our sky, British paratroopers in Kherson some colled him. If NATO would send some troops for demonstrative purpose, maybe Putin will not dare to invade and thousands of lifes would be saved...
There is no way Russia gets out of this without the territory of the Donbass republics. It has little strategic value, but good luck selling to its population that they won if they cant even get that. I think Zelensky understands that, and considering the alternative is the continuation of a war that could result in the end of the Ukranian state and freedom, its a small concession to give. The Finns, despite winning their war against the soviets, and all their sacrifices; also had to give up the city of Vïpurii, despite being its second largest city at the time.
Still, in my opinion, this peace talks are a russian psyops, or them trying to win legitimacy/time, and do not really have an honest intention of achieving peace in the current conditions, due to what I explained before, as this deal would still be a big strategic defeat. However, the sanctions, strategic in nature, are going to have severe consecuencies for Rusia, and as of now, they dont even have Ukraine to counterbalace them. So the threat of failing into an escalation spiral is there.
If there is rationality still left in the Russian high command, they will cut up their losses,they will try a last push towards Kiev in order to get more leverage, and then they will take this deal, and so will Ukraine most likely. If not, well, this is going to keep spiriling into a bigger war.
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1 minute ago, womble said:
I wonder whether there's any halfway house where RUS and UKR can sign a formal treaty about territory, with NATO as a guarantor? It would sortof be a backdoor entry to many of the benefits of NATO membership (that the Balts and Poland are probably very thankful for just now), but would emphatically not be UKR membership of NATO, so Putin could take that back as a victory...
Joining the EU would be essentially that. We have i the EU "neutral" nations such as Finland, Austria and Ireland. Yet if they were attacked they would be defended by the EU and in larga NATO. The same can be applied to Ukraine
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17 minutes ago, Bulletpoint said:
Russia's agreement to negotiate and setting their nuclear forces on high alert could be linked.
While Ukraine will likely demand all Russians to leave UKR, including in the occupied regions, the NATO countries might try to convince Ukraine to go for lesser demands to turn down the crisis now that Putin is turning up the nuclear rhetoric.
The end result might be that Russia withdraws, in exchange for Ukraine recognising Russian claims on Crimea and the "independence" of the areas in the east.
Putin would then be able to claim war success in that his stated aim was to protect these breakaway areas.
That could be the off- ramp to this mess. The Ukranians give up Crimea and Donbass and accept stop seeking to join NATO (but still they get to join EU, this is the important bit), and all Russian troops withdraw. It would be a strategic defeat for Putin, as the ground won its minimal/esentially he already controlled it, and even thought he gets the Ukranins out of NATO, they still get to join the EU, so they are irremediably out of their sphere of influence. In exchange he maybe avoids some of the harsher sanctions that are being planned yet have not still been applied. However he has shown its army to be a paper tiger and has hurted its economy and global position for the time being, in a nearly irreparable way. Germany has shifted from a friendly position with Russia, to one of hostility.
He can twist this as a victory for his internal audience and maybe some of its propagandists abroad. Yet lets not be mistaken, this peace terms and the general world situation that has arose over the war is a very serious strategic defeat for Russia, which will remain a secondary power at best for the time being. Thats why I am somewhat skeptical over the possibility of them agreeing to peace terms.
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This war is turning into an existential threat to Putin Regime.
You only have to look at the face of Shoigu at the end of Putin declaration to know how bad the situation really is.
How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?
in Combat Mission Black Sea
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The thing is that it seems that in some cases is not so much that they are running out of fuel, but rather that they themselves are throwing it up once they realize where they are heading. There are videos that I posted yesterday of civilians actually picking up russian soldiers and getting them to Ukranian authorities. That tells us that those soldiers were completely left alone by the rest of their forces and that their moral very low, as they, being armed, actually handed themselves up to unarmed civilians.