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    How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

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    1 hour ago, FancyCat said:

    Nationalization of the American oil industry? Cause that's the only way to compete. End of the day, it's countries that have governments that directly control energy production vs our American industry looking for profits. Or maybe lots of subsidies. Neither is cheap. Also the implication that OPEC needs to bow to the U.S is quite foolish. Many of the OPEC members rely on higher oil pricing to fund their governments, so end of the day, it's just business. Never been fine with the implication that Saudi Arabia needs to bow down to us like a puppet.

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    How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

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    2 minutes ago, cesmonkey said:

    With Russia reinforcing their lines with thousands of under-equipped, under-trained, newly-mobilized soldiers, what is it that Ukraine most urgently needs at the moment?

    Or as Secretary of Defense Austin says, providing Ukraine what it needs  "for the current fight"?

    More artillery and ammunition?

    Western tanks, APCs, and IFVs?

    Easy-to-use and support attack aircraft?

    I would think antipersonnel HIMARS. 

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    How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

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    2 hours ago, Doc844 said:

    I'm way behind on this thread again, work can suck at times, only on page 1485, but wanted to chip my 2 pence worth in on nukes and use of.  One thing to remember is that as people get older they move more away from the 'me' to their kids but even more importantly their grandkids.  They are their future, our future and humans are hardwired to that as part of the perpetuation of the species.  So yes you may have the man at the top, ala, Mr Putlin who may or may not give a ****, all is lost I'm gonna go the way of Hitler and take everyone with me.  But I can guarentee that most under him and even more so those who are further away from the levers of power do not agree and want a future for their families and relatives.  I strongly believe that if Putlin decides to drop a nuke there is a very high probability, even inevitability that someone will vacate his brain from his skull.

     

    If I recall correctly what I stated above was one of the main reasons why Kruschev de-escalated and brought the world back from the brink.  Not saying that this position should be used as a hail Mary plan but I could see that being the way it would pan out.

      Putlin -  "**** the west, they ruined my glorious plan, **** Ukraine they didnt roll over and die, press the red button".  Loud bang and the next thing he sees is Lucifer standing with a big grin saying welcome.

    Well said! And there is no strategic value to using a tactical nuke. He would immediately lose the war and he knows it. All he can do is threaten and bluster. 

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    How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

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    47 minutes ago, dan/california said:
    4 hours ago, cesmonkey said:

    https://www.forces.net/ukraine/what-cost-nato-countries-win-war-ukraine

    How much will it cost NATO nations for Ukraine to defeat Russia?

     

    This is the greatest bargain in history, LITERALLY!

    Ditto @and/california.  I completely agree.  There are no two ways about it, Ukraine (with massive support from the West) is doing to Russia what 40+ years of Cold War had trouble doing.

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    How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

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    10 minutes ago, Zeleban said:

    In fact, ZSU destroyed at least three of them in 2015

    I don't know if 2015 kills count...  But I was pretty ambiguous, wasn't I.

    I went to give you an upvote anyway and I had ran out of upvotes.  So here's a thumbs up and a couple up arrows:

    ⬆️👍⬆️ Woohoo! (also a free woohoo 😁)

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    How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

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    Posted · Edited by Probus
    Added Link to HE HIMARS

    Any chance that Ukraine could push through to the throat of the Crimea on the Southern front and block all the RA retreating forces?

    I've also heard from a couple sources that the USA is giving the AFU HE HIMARS for anti-personnel use against the new 300,000 mobilized Russians.  Anyone else heard about this?

    (This is after the discussion on nukes.  Please don't start that up again...)

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