Karabekian

Yes sorry I missed that you discussed another tank. I found this about the Luchs on a German military forum: 2./PzAufkl. 9/9.Panzer-Div. issued 29 in April 1943 2.PzAufkl. 4/4.Panzer-Div. had 29 on hand on Sept. 26, 1943 1./PzAufkl. 9/9.Panzer-Div. issued 25, date unknown 5 Luchs with 1 operational in the 4.Kallerie-Brigade on Dec. 30, 1944 1 Luchs with the Herman-Goering Panzer-Korps on Dec. 30, 1944 3 Luchs with training and replacement units on March 1, 1945 So alot of them with the 9th. Panzer. Sorry if you already have these numbers.

Duh, better stay out, it gets confusing with many pages.

There were 6 (or seven) Tiger VIB with the FKL 316 (subordinate to Panzer Lehr). Numbered 1, 02, 03, 10, (the famous) number 11 and 12. There is also the possibility that a seventh tank existed. These were tanks rated "not combat ready (or worthy)" and were pulled to the front line under transportation back to the factory. All were abandoned and/or destroyed by their crews. FKL 316 also had Tiger I, that were all abandoned without combat. The first Kompanie of the 503 sPzAbt had at least 12 in Normandy (the famous photos of King Tiger/Tiger on an "alley" under the trees). One was rammed by a Sherman tank. In August a further 14 were given to the third Kompanie, that also saw combat in Normandy. The only instance of King Tiger with "procuction turret" was when first Kompanie of sSSPzAbt.101 was re-equipped with the King Tiger in August. These tanks feature in many photos and videos driving trough Paris. They wee first deployed at the Mantes bridgehead, short of Paris. So even the "Henschel" turret could be included in CM:BN timeline. All in all, there were some thirty KT in Normandy proper. When I citicized the model my intention was not the lack of equipment, but the lack of elements of the hull, such as the hangers for cables, or the port on the rear turret hatch. The KT in Normandy were spartan in tools yes.

Well, I spend as much time changing the games I play, as I spend playing them. I constantly change the markings on tanks and vehicles in different historical scenarios I try to recreate. I also spend almost as much time giving orders, as I spend watching my AT guns reload, tanks aim and move or infantry crossing a paticularly nice piece of terrain. I love the way CM:BN combines graphics with physics. Not too much eye candy or any fantastic special effects, but coherent, historically correct vehicles and uniforms. These things are not the main focus of the game, but is it too much to ask that the Addon is at least up to the quality of the original? I think the answer should be yes, before the question is asked. I never asked BF to fix it immediately (even if I am surprised they were released, when discussion on their quality started when the screenshots were released). The KT is not even the same resolution as other tanks! This thread was/is about the KT, so hardly surprising to find, well, complaints on the KT. I do not find my "demands" unreasonable. I think that the repository or GaJ`s mod warehouse shows, that CM is not only about the people who "play" the game. Gladly, we are allowed to have different opinions on this forum. Even if some people are omniscient. Its not like anyone had to answer or even read the thread. But I am glad that BF replied (Thank You! ) and that someone shows mutual interest.

One of the most impotant things graphically is a high quality monitor. No matter the hardware, if the monitor is bad nothing can be done to improve the look of the game.

Not that much about what vehicles we get, but the fact that there are even more models that clearly are not finished. If graphics are not part of the game then why make them good in the first place. I will not use the KT or Wespe in battles since they look so out of place on the map. Now graphics are not the main reason to get CMBN, but definately a reason people do not get back to CMx1 (too much). Apart from that, some of my main interests historically involve the KT, albeit in very limited roles.

@dpabrams Like akd said, the tracks still exist, but are on the Alpha layer. No Tiger II in Normandy had the tracks, and only very few (Henschel) had them in France. They were only officially introduced (factory modification) in November 1944. They are entirely out of the timeline in CMBN. My problem is, that the KT had a reasonable big part in the screenshots, but it is definately not up to the other high quality models. Like many have pointed out - the Jagdpanther looks very very good. The model itself lacks some details, not repairable by a new skin. I am a huge fan of the KT and its history, thus my biased complaints. Should however give more credit to the overall high quality of the module.

Unfortunately, Aris has not released new models for the game. This is not something a skin will fix.

Well, theres a modest person! A tank lacking tracks (but has brown carpets instead) is a little more then bland to me.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/77677451@N02/ I do not know how to use IMG. I particularly like the track one.. Not much improvement from CM:BO

There are instances of front turret penetrations on King Tigers (With "Henschel" turrets). It is the front armour (glacis) that is the un-penetrated one. Tiger 301 (3. Kompanie, sPzAbt.503) is the one in the photo. Other photos show it has 3-4 deep hits in the lower glacis before the battle it was knocked out in. At this time it also has lost its equipment, the mudguards and lights etc. Some serious combat it seems. It received 4 visible hits on the upper glacis, and the one that punched trough the turret. It seems definately possible for a Firefly to penetrate the near vertical turret front, judging from the very deep marks left on the well sloped, 150mm glacis. The tank was one that 3kp was refitted with and drove trough Paris (some nice photos exist). It must have been knocked out near Paris, possibly at Mantes.

Fianlly got CMWealth downloaded, seems good so far. I tried the King Tiger today in a QB. But wait. Is it only me or does it seriously lack in detail? I have no hangers for the towing cables, entirely clean sides, tracks look like unmodded CMx1, stange looking exhausts and mantlet. Was it released unfinished or is there something else going on?

Well, with respect to all the cew who had to live and die in the Jagdpanzer 38, it is a good machine in a wargame. Good gun, speed, sloped armour. Even if it was a design born out of desperation, with disregard to the humans who had to crew them. The 75mm Pak 40 was succesfull on its own, so it seems reasonable it will be good once on a motor. After all, they could sit and wait, since the enemy was going to come for them anyways. But I would not like to be in a Jagdpanzer once out of its element (hideout), let alone be on the offensive pushing a Pak.

However he was very well concealed. The CMBN spotting will make it a lot more difficult for the Stuart.

Im curious how the spotting works. Does a unit have a single "point" from where the "spotting" is originated from, or multiple? I constantly have AT guns that see the enemy (when I click them they have direct LOS to a tank) but the gun is not able to target the enemy? Is it so that one of the crew sees the tank, but not the gunner? To be clear, all units on even ground, so the gun has enought traverse to aim at the enemy directly.

Haha, we got a fairly good laugh today when I had a Jeep drive fairly deep trough his lines, spotted a few Panthers, some infantry and a Stug that finally blasted him away. It got really fun when we imagined this guy, Headphones on, pedal to the metal, speeding trough Small arms fire, "A PLATOON OF ENEMY INFANTRY 100 M! (Mgs and rifles open up), TWO PANTHERS BY THE RIDGE! (a 75mm shot streaks over him), A STUG BEHIND THE FARM! (and finally takes a direct hit). Brave man saved a lot of guys that day.

It is rather curious that a foliage layer for weapons/vehicles was not one of the first things that was included. :confused: After all the prime way to distinguish unknown photos, the units, vehicles and men in them, is by foliage.

Yes sorry, I thought the photo was added later. Very nice to have many possibilities to use.

They did see action in Normandy too. With the FKL 316 and sPzAbt 503, some even with the s.SS-Pz. Abt. 101. More were used in France.

Well, while it made no direct impact in the Normandy/France campaign it definately had a huge impact on the way we see history, thanks to the curiosity it aroused in the Allies. Not to mention that it was a very succesful tank, despite its shortcomings due to the deteriorating logistical situation. The campaigns are semi historical so even more reason to include it. *akd, the photo of Tiger 314 "Anneliese" is once it was repaired and sent to the Eastern front (the tracks were a factory addition). Not sure if you added it to look like it is in France.

Wow, they even use the Panzerfaust now! :eek:

Well, actually it seems not a single of the "initial" turrets had these hangers or the tracks. In fact, only in November 1944 was permission given to add them for all Tiger II turret types. The first known addition of hangers was for two tanks damaged in France - but used on the Eastern front with them. So no chance in Normandy or even France.

Hi, I was looking trough the sceenshots of the Commonwealth module. Now I see to my huge liking that the Tiger II is also in, but why the tracks on the turret? Now photos tell that not a single one of the 29 "Porsche" turret tanks in Normandy proper had these or in fact the hangers to apply them. :confused: Just tying to avoid historical innaccuracies, even if I know the shots are work-in-progress.

Exactly how was this going to happen? If you live anywhere outside Helsinki, look out of the window and tell me how someone is going to collect you in a truck and drive you away. With the army now dispersed to continue the fighting, weapons readily available and thousands of finnish forrest roads to drive trough.. Not very easy to achieve any kind of large scale "evacuation". No doubt this was the goal of the SU, but just how it would have happened is another guestion.

Yet it was absolutely clear in Finland at the time that an occupation was imminent in the near future. Continuous demands from the USSR constantly pushed Finland closer to Germany that had already in 1940 given indications that an offensive in the East was planned. Atleast by then it was clear that when the war would begin the Soviets, or the Germans, would need to secure Finland strategically. Germany due to Norway and Sweden and their resources. The Soviets would attempt to cut these, or secure the Leningrad area. Not to mention the Soviet need of satellite nations on all its borders. They did not have the capability or will to defeat Finland quickly once Bagration was fully underway - and succesful. By the time Germany was out of the war the pre war situation was gone, they had already secured the entire Southern side of the Finnish gulf and could be satisfied with a base in Porkkala. The Soviets that were spared to the Finnish front were battered and low on materiel and men. In 1946 Stalin comlained that he did not occupy Finland - because "We paid way too much consideration to the Americans, they would not have lifted a finger!". Then again Molotov said during the 80s, that had they occupied Finland it might have become a "deep wound in the belly of the Soviet Union". To him it was certain that a long guerilla war would have ensued. Against the Finns. Sure the geography of Finland was of huge importance to maintain its independence, but decades later, a guerilla war in a backwater country, greatly added to the collapse of the entire USSR.