TrailApe

Seventeen Pounder?

Look, a fact doesn't have to be actually true does it? Let go of your western fact based cultural inhibitions, accept that time is not linear, ask yourself 'If there is no spoon - how the phlick am I GOING TO EAT MY CORNFLAKES! ' Then realise - it's not about spoons, it's not about cornflakes, its about roughage. Eat prunes, that'll sort yer!

Dieseltaylor – you are not wrong about the File Handling. Although I don’t go there myself, it does seem strange that there is not a utility that makes it simpler. I also can see your point about the amount of issues that are floating around even after 4 years of CMSF. However in BF’s defence, the environments that the two games operate within are radically different. On the surface its New Kit in the Desert vs Old Kit in Normandy, so what’s the big deal? – just change the look of the tanks, swap out the Syrians with the Germans, dial down the target effects, bung in some European terrain tiles and hey voila CMSF = CMBN. Well not quite, totally different weaponry, MV’s, AT missiles, body armour, in short a totally different kettle of fish. Have you seen the flight profile of a Javelin ATM? Thing of beauty. So in my opinion, these issues are not unexpected. I don’t think I’m being cynical, but I’m sure BF fully expected on release to flush out a whole new set of bugs that the Beta Testers missed, it’s a small scale operation and releasing the V 1.0 to such a discerning/demanding audience is one surefire way of finding problems to fix. I don’t mind this, got I’ve got my hands on a superb game, and I know it will only get better. Now if BF charged us for the patches I’d be a tad dis-chuffed, but they don’t so it’s all good from my perspective. What I was commenting on was your poke at CMSF. Nothing more. I was hurt (sniff).

The Moors? WHAT did the Moors EVER do for US - apart from giving us Morgan Freeman (that goes without saying does'nt it)

This is what happens CMSF comes out, 50,000 posts appear saying “This is not as good as ~~~ (insert your favourite CM1 game) or This is a bug, or where’s my armour only arcs etc etc. Then things settle down interspersed with peaks leading up to and following module release. CMBN comes out, 50,000 posts sappear aying “This is not as good as ~~~ (insert your favourite CM1 game) or This is a bug, or where’s my armour only arcs, why did you take out #### (insert favourite CM1 feature) etc etc, with replies like – 'well it that’s what it was like in CMSF look at the forum'. Then things settle down interspersed with peaks leading up to and following module release. Looking at the threads in the CMBN forum, there are a lot of scalded cat threads “OMG this is a bug because I got blew away in my halftrack rush on the objective dude. like man that’s not cool.” I think CMBN and it’s follow up modules will undoubtedly sell more than the CMSF family (remember the dinosaurs ruled the world for a much longer time than mammals have so far ) but to try and compare it worth as a game by the number of threads raised on a forum is not very scientific. We don’t want to start a League/Union type of shooting match here amongst us CM home boys do we?

So, Just to recap (as we have strayed) For all of the atrocities, deaths and famines and generally ‘nasty’ things associated with the British Empire and those sub units associated with the aforesaid Empire by blood or marriage we can really blame, Sweden, Denmark and Norway because Rollo, the first Duke Of Normandy, came from that area. The French and the Germans – because, as Franks, they intermingled with the Vikings in Normandy and started giving them big ideas The people of the Netherlands – coz they’re implicated with the Frankish Gig The Romans – because they gave the Franks ideas above their station and didn’t keep them in line And that blond from Abba is past it.

Erik, that actually is very interesting. How does that apply to the cute little blond in Abba? Or have I totally missed the point?

This is getting even better. So the French are to blame. I'm glad about that, I thought I'd be facing an uphill battle to blame it all on the nations that brought us Abba. The French eh? No problem selling that particular little doggie.

and the French!

YEH ! In fact now that you mention it it is ALL your fault. We are just misguided children who were neglected by our motherland Well, I can certainly understand that, I would blame that mess on somebody else if I could. I'm sure other parts of the Empire would get away with that but not the US and not Oz. The US are like the teenage who stormed out of the family home and set up in their own, and Oz - well you lot didn't storm out, you were THROWN out. So don't play the 'neglected child' card over here mate. Anyway, I actually think I know who to blame for EVERYTHING that's bad that has ever been done by the Anglo-Scottish-Irish-Cymric tribe (and their associates ). The Swedes, Danes and Norwegians are the perps here chaps. Think about it. When did the Brits start getting itchy feet and thinking that invading other countries were a pretty neat idea? The Normans. After that that there was no stopping us. Abba music and pickled herrings on rye bread are served on the road to hell mate. Believe.

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Nidan1 – as a Non-USians, permit me to say that I don’t see it that way, although I can understand how some can feel uncomfortable with questionable deeds done in the past in by their forbears. Yes distasteful things were done then, but the question to ask yourself is have we moved on? And in the US’s case I think the answer would be yes – very much so. So spare me the remorse, I’m busy - I’ve got the misdeeds of the British Empire to answer for.

sburke No! – No! and no (!!!) again. Food, culture and other elements. yes you have a point – but BEER? I am absolutely astounded that you had the audacity to put that heresy into a message that appears within the public domain, (will no one thing of the children)? I cannot comment on Thai, Chinese, Salvadoran, Peruvian, or Japanese beer, because I have never drank them – but I can make a valid guess as to what type of Brews these people produce. However I have drank Italian beer in Italy and I am able to make an informed (if subjective) comment. And here it is, I cannot see how that frothy pale insipid product can add to humankind in any way – apart from perhaps to cool down on a hot Roman summer day. However, ‘cooling down’ is a poor excuse to purvey such an insipid product and claim ‘This is Beer’. In this way, I humbly submit, diversity has failed. Foreign Beer is Muck. You Sir, are a poltroon, however I will forgive you as you probably will never have the privilege of necking down a proper pint in a proper boozer. That Sir, is your crime – and your punishment. I Childress, Sir you have my sympathy. Britain in the 70’s was not the best place in the world to be, (although the summer of ’76 was the best in living memory). I would warrant though, that ‘visiting Britain’ was really ‘visiting London’ and if this is so (apologies If I stray from the truth) London is not Britain, not even close. However, having dispensed with the preliminaries, can I mention "CIVILIZING EFFECTS OF THE CHUNNEL". Are you totally devoid of any rational thought? Are you bereft of an sane thought? The French – civilised? I’m going for a lie down in a darkened room to eat l’escargot and drink Peroni, but I’ll be dreaming of a plate of Pan Haggerty and a pint of Mordue’s Radgy Gadgy. Diversity is all very well, but keep the French out of it.

Apologies Mr Emrys, your reply was swallowed up. You must remember that for any British person, members of HM Forces or not, until about the 1990's it was not unusual for motor vehicles to be recalcitrant, mule-ish and in most cases stationary, so your average squaddie would have just loped up and put his shoulder to the damned vehicle and pushed! Simples!

From the README.txt INSTALLATION DIRECTORY CMSF Nato needs to be installed inside the existing directory where you have previously installed Combat Mission Shock Force. The installer will attempt to locate any such directory in your registry, but this is not 100% failsafe, so you should always doublecheck the suggested installation path, and correct it if necessary. The default install path for Combat Mission Shock Force is under C:\Programs\Battlefront\Combat Mission Shock Force. CLEAN INSTALL: Below is a brief step by step instruction on how to do a clean reinstall of CMSF. If you do not have a Module listed below, simply skip the step. Don't forget to UNLICENSE your keys on the previous PC before reinstalling on a different PC! 1- install the base game, Combat Mission Shock Force. This will typically be v1.00 or v1.01. 2- install the Marines Module. This will update your game to v1.10. 2b- use your Marines Module license key to activate. This will activate both the base game AND the module. 3- install the British Forces Module. This will update your game to v1.20. 3b- use your Britihs Forces license key to activate. 4- install the v1.21 Patch. This will update your game to v1.21. Make sure to select the correct components (modules + Base game) to update. 5- install the NATO module. This will update your game to v1.30. 5b- use your NATO module key to activate. This will activate both the base game and the module in one go.

That takes me back 30 odd years ago - reading the Tamiya instructions while I built my 1-35 Uber Panzers. Ahh I love the smell of humbrol and glue in the mornings......

Love that one. To be fair, I think Finnish will stretch any robotic translator. It's not a germanic or romance language - was it not taught to the Suomi by trolls or sumfink way back when? I'm sure Ubdead Reindeer Cavalry will update us if there's anything remotely slanderous.

I think he was being ironic. As in Python's Four Yorkshiremen's sketch. ie a real game would do something REALLY drastic to get around the dark screen problem eg pay £1,000,000 for 'One-Use-Only' infra red eyes or something equally ridiculous and lose health, house and family for a 2 hour session - and think that it was worth it.

I'm with you on this one - where are the burning Shermans when you need them. Quite accurate though, I'd love to be able to hear what the pixeltruppen are really bitching on about down there, not much fun tripping over a lenth of briar and coming crashing down with you NCO just behind you! Ahh the venomous hissing and mutinous muttering that will be going on.

Oh yes! Just confirms the veracity of the claims of authentic real life modelling.

The annoying thing is that if Hitler hadn't interfered we would not be stumbling about in these dratted hedgers getting shot to pieces. Everybody (including Erwin himself) thought that Rommel would fall back and do the dancing about and twatting the Allies routine in terrain that suited his armour and well out from the umberella of naval gunfire. Hitler interfered. So because of that dog loving veggie we have got a endless series of killer hedges, when instead of which we could be rumbling through the rolling french countryside, having the fresh early summer breezes cool us in the bright french sunshine - getting picked off at 1000 yds with nauseating frequency whilst dreaming of tight claustrophobic countryside that would negate the long range advantage of the Killer Kitties. Bourguébus Ridge anyone?

Blackcat, You might be right, I tend to get too close to the action to make rational observations. Lot's of explosions going on and I go all gooey. Something to test tonight methinks.

'Planning' to desert?

In our niche in NATO we call the FOO's that's why, although I quite like some of their stuff, I could never buy a Foo-Fighters CD - just goes against the grain. Mind you these FO's in the game mist have brains the size of planets to handle what they are doing. I've done a few multi-battery missions in a peace time training environment, ok as long as you are hitting one target, but these lads are able to run multi battery missions over targets scattered all over the place. Must have the ability to turn their necks like Owls!

DT, that’s one cracking hedge in the video. That’s obviously just been freshly worked on – can you imagine in three or four years of upward and outward growth, what an absolute beast that would be to get past? Then do that a few more times over the period of 10-15 years and voila! And for Normandy, put in a mature tree every few yards then stick it on a 6 foot bank. No wonder they had trouble. Not sure about the Northmen and their takeover of Normandy - will read up on it, but yes you are right, mainland Europe in the 1700's still had a few beasts that you wouldn't want to see sneaking up on your only cow.