Gryphonne

Is the book by Rexford still available somewhere? I can't find it anywhere..

Quite curious about this as well! How does the AI know whether it is on target or not?

Darn, didn't expected such a high turnrate on some of these vehicles!

I think top armour is now modelled. I've just tested a scenario (granted, not really reliable) by placing an Ambrams on a slope with a BMP-2 positioned on an opposite slope. This way the BMP could fire "down" on the Abrams at 90 degrees (you can place vehicle on very steep slopes by positioning them on the map first and afterwards changing elevation data). The result was that the Abrams was knocked out each and every time by either the BMP-2 autocannon or missile hitting it from the top. Even an RPG would suffice here. Something that I don't *think* would happen as often from a horizontal front aspect anyway.

Apparently, those are Ukranian Short Skirts on parade though seemingly, the use of skirts by Eastern European powers is more common than we thought

Soviet tank with skirts in question. No idea how common this practice was though.

Why? Nothing wrong with skirts now is there Back on topic: I always understood that the side skirts were effective against HEAT rounds, and that this was also the reason for Soviet troops adding all sorts of side skirts to their tanks before the campaign in Berlin 1945 in order to defeat Panzerfausts/Panzerschrecks?

Finally, I can speak about them Needless to say, I was _really_ pleasantly surprised when I saw them in the beta preview

Thanks, didn't expect that But I guess this solves it

I noticed that the Panther in the media section has zimmerit covered side skirts. Surely, this wasn't common practice was it? From all the pictures I've seen skirts were never zimmerit coated? I take it the Panther model in-game doesn't have the skirts with zimmerit coating? Same goes for the Pz IV, i see it with zimmerit on some of the skirts. However, in Bil's AAR the hull skirts are without zimmerit and the turret skirts are stilll coated? Can anyone elaborate?

Thanks I saw a similar hit and penetration on a StuG IV. The Jagdpanzer IV by Alkett, being based on the nose of the Pz IV still possesses the Pz IVs vulnerability obviously. The Jagdpanzer by VOMAG(?) should be less vulnerable as the nose was redesigned.

I'm actually quite surprised about the plate's resistance to overmatching penetrators here. That section still provides a bigger target than one would initially think. So I guess the German engineer's reasoning was indeed that if anything could penetrate these thin plates at high angles, it would probably also penetrate the 80mm sections. I wonder how, in comparison to the Pz IV, the StuG would fare; in absolute terms. The armor profile actually seems a bit less vulnerable, but I can't find any info on all the complex geometry of the superstructure. It appears that most plates are 40-45mm and are positioned at 45 degrees from vertical or higher (on par with T-34 front armor?); if true, this would actually provide a reasonable target in hull down position and would be impossible to penetrate by the Sherman's 75mm. Furthermore, I have however found that the upper glacis plate is 30mm and almost horizontal, providing both more protection and a smaller target. I think the Pz IVs will have a hard time dealing with Shermans in CMBN, unless they spot those Shermans first, and even then, apparently the upper hull, which presents a very large target, provides fairly adequate protection against the 75/L48. Testing this in CMAK I actually reached the same conclusion, I was just surprised how often the turret is targeted instead of the hull and how easily that is penetrated in comparison. The StuG on the other hand, might be a good deal more survivable. In any case, thanks for all the replies guys

This one for example @Bil I'm looking forward to it

Hey guys, I have a question about the possible vulnerability of German tanks: mainly, the StuG and Pz IV. I was looking at armour diagrams for both and noticed that for example, the Pz IV has a vulnerable upper glacis plate which provides only 20mm of protection. Despite the angle at which it is positioned it seems very vulnerable, how often would the upper glacis plate get penetrated? Or was the reasoning such that if anything could penetrate the upper glacis plate it would also probably penetrate the 80mm sections? Same goes for the StuG, it has a very complex geometry for the superstructure and most of the sections only provide 40-45mm (? - was hard to find the figures) of armor protection. Again, these seem very vulnerable and the 80mm sections seem quite small in comparison. How vulnerable are these sections and is it the case here again that if anything can penetrate these it can probably also wreck the 80mm sections? Finally, is all this geometry modelled in CMBN?

You have me on the edge of my seat already

Uhm, wow... how did all those rounds fail to penetrate Shermans at that range? :eek: I thought the 75/L48 would be a tad more effective? I can't even remember a 75 bouncing off any Sherman in CMAK!

Do tanks still rock as violently with shooting as in CMSF? Because the lower power guns shouldn't be able to rock tanks as much. Especially when it comes to a heavy vehicle such as the Tiger, you barely see these moving in newsreel footage.

Could you maybe also show screenshots of the tank's components and protection?

That setup reminds me of:

Sounds very promising! Can't wait for the screenshots

As a matter of fact there shouldn't be any disc swapping. This wasn't the case with CMSF either It's just an install and you're good to go I have to say though that I have only used the download versions up until now.

I should have expected a reply such as this

Now all I need is a screenshot of a StuG Pretty please?

Thanks you BFC, waited for this for YEARS! Needless to say, I have preordered the beautiful collectors edition!

Well, if you could at least guide me to these "pearls of wisdom" I could judge for myself (okay, that sounds quite bad actually )