Alex

Hay guys, some of yours images is gone! About chobham AndreyBT had some info, in his LiveJournal. It's about british 'chobham', he tell that it have bad firmness to second/next hits. Sorry, that is 'OPSEC'? P.S. I'm interest, why Poland buy german tanks, than you have your own tank industrial?

I mean you did HEAT table, and GLATMG it's also HEAT round, may be should put it in your table.

How about russian ATGM firing from tank gun (don't know how it at english). I'll show your tables and than give link and tell that they think about it.

As I know 3BM48 in service a little. About 3BM44 my mistake it's not in service, and I not sure is this shell calls "round raised power" (povishennogo mogushestva) for gun 2A81 or some thing that calls "Svinec-2" Not GSPO - OTVAGA2004, not so popular, but Fofanov, Muhin, GurKhan and some more tank experts 'live' there.

Hm... Not sure that all 3500kg is front protection. How I understand Leo2A5/6 also have more heavy armor on turret sides, and it also mast have some weight. And has I understand Leo2A5/6 have a new sight, some new electronic and anti-fire/flame systems, all it have some weight (for example 'Oplot-M' panoramic sight mass is 400kg). Also new L-55 gun have new shock-absorber system and maybe new stabilizations system, all it have mass. And as MAIN Leo2A5/6 have longest 'ass'. And I think my poor english don't give my a chance to explain my thoughts, but what sort of armor material can lift up armor weight so hight? I think DU (Uranium), but Germany have a bad situation with it, they don't have it a lot even for shells. If it not DU, than that? Why there is no 3BM44 and 3BM48 in the table? P.S. If you interesting I can show your table on one good russian tank forum, and will see that peoples say.

Damian thanks for Leo2 protection pfotos, very interesting. But why you write 3BM42M 600-600mm?

'Snowboll' say they plan release it in September...

I want to do a little announcement Our Red-vs-blue campaign not closed, just we slow the temp, because now is summer and we want some rest. Now situation is: 7 mission is 100% done 5 missions don't have briefing at english and needs some testing. 2 mission in slow work (some about 50% ready) I think that we can finish the campaign in September, but now we don't have beta-tester and man who can translate briefings from rus to engl. So that all news for today ;-)

Excellent AAR and scenario.

It's my problem too ;-) Ты по русски не говоришь случайно? :-) So if you clear know it (about 33mm and construction), I agree, it maybe can give 5-10% protection against KE. But this "beak" don't look so seriously. Yes, but armor at turret sides, also not so heavy and it's a weak zone too. http://btvt.narod.ru/1/tank3.htm Not really, this is problem of competence, and this problem have not only a Russian source, but western too (and also chines, Indian and etc). Many western "expert's" think if russian tank have lower (than wester tanks) mass it's mean that it have liter armor. If you will look at Andrey_BT, you can see, that he underestimate western tanks, but If you will look more attention you will see, that he also underestimate russian tanks, and only "Oplot" is' most perfect tank for him. Of course it's not mean that he is incompetence, but it's mean that he is biased some times. So I want to say, that in russian internet you can see a 'popular/appreciable' sources/'expert's' like Andrey_BT, but also has not so popular peoples like Khlopotov, Fofanov, Muhin, and they don't have some illusions. I think your range of night sight is very optimistic for T-72, 650m more real as I heard. Hm... But western tank's also have not same protection at frontal projection.

But maybe BFC should return to this thread, after NATO module will be realized. It gives much longest life to CMSF, I think (look at 'OFP' and 'ARMA').

The 'Kontakt-5' ERA gives 20% against APFSDS (as you wrote) and 'beak' this 10-15mm of some sort of steel gives 5-10%? Don't you think that some thing wrong in this? If all was so simple, I think all tanks had this 'beak'. I clear understand how 'beak' work against HEAT it's divided armor, but against APFSDS... Also I want to say, that ERA 'Kontakt-5" gives not 20% protection against APFSDS, it gives some about 50-60% but it depends from penetrator are long, if it short (like old models) than ERA can destroy it at 40-90%, but newest models, like M829A3 or DM53 have longest penetrator and 'Kontakt-5' work against it only at 20%. Andrey_BT is a "Ukrainian" patriot he love only "Oplot" And Damian I don't sure understand why "weak zone" at russian tanks extends on a cone at the end? Also need to say, that western tanks have long turret back and it's very weak, but russian tank's have short 'ass'. I think you see it before, but I think it's close to reality

2 Damian90 Why you think that "beak" on Leo2A6 can give 5-10% protection against APFSDS? And also:

Very bad, that Syrian unconventional forces will have only new ZU-23-2, I think most needed for them its' DsHK, AGS, SPG-9 crews on foot! P.S. Syrian ZiL driver have tank helmet.

Very good looking ;-)

It's not a bug. Hay guys CMSFengin don't have object physic, you also can try move up your vehicle/soldier on any mount (don't mater what angle of slope it have), and if terrain is passableness, unit will go up. Terran can be impassableness for units if it have height difference at 5-10m between squares.

2 Fūrinkazan I mean that not you don't believe me, and for all, that it's real. GREAT WORK!!! Thank you P.S. Maybe should put rifle images and caliber, for every part.

One burst three kills! My MG crew walked around, when enemy DshK has take a shot! Bullets comes through 1st man, when second and third, and after that hit the 'Rover' Bullets incoming! 3 dead Medical assist

TO BFC! Maybe to warm interest, you could show a tank-battle video T-72 against Leo2A4 (or LeoC2)? It will be very interesting.

2 Fūrinkazan I post this video to show that shot at 2000m not fantasy. Waiting your work. 2 Alan8325 No, militarys not use weapon like this, they use SVD (as main), SV-98 (some SF), KSVK 12.7, OSV-96/B-94 12.7, VSS. Tsar-cannon rifles used by very special forces (FSB, FSO)

Heh... Kharkov it is a good game, but not CM need equal on it, and on the contrary Kharkov should.

If some body interesting I found a photo ATMG AT-7 ('METIS') using from hands

Russian non-combat shooting at 2300m by SVL.408 rifle

Also I found some comparison photos NSPU-1 and modern civilian 1st gen. NVD "ЗЕНИТ НВ-100" here you are: moon night 70m - ЗЕНИТ - NSPU-1 300m - ЗЕНИТ - NSPU-1 link on rus - http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/10/242281.html

I did some tests: Syrian infantry (squad with RPG-7) attack enemy INF at open ground. 1. Conscript start attack ("order attack") at 450m: AT; AT; AP; AP; AT; AT. 1.1. Conscript start attack ("order attack") at 350m: AT; AT; AP; AT; AP; AT. 2. Regulars start attack ("order attack") at 450m: AT; AT; AT; AP; AT; AP. 3. Veterans start attack ("order attack") at 450m: AT; AT; AT; AP; AT; AP. Some time syrians loose contact with enemy, and some time may see how RPG shooter load AP grenade, but after that shot AT. So as you can see AP grenades not primary ammo to attack infantry, and not clear how exactly AI make deassign to use AP grenades. Also I made test where my syrians RPG-7 attack enemy in buildings, and AI at first used all AT, and only after that use AP. P.S. Interesting, that OG-7V have excellent ballistic, but syrians can't hit anything by it, but AT grenades (with badly ballistic) goes close to the enemy. AT- antitank HEAT (PG-7VL) AP - antipersonnel HE (OG-7V) For me this is strange situation.