Mr. Tittles

Does anyone know the percentages for hits against the front? My posts disappeared too.

Just because JasonC may be in shape does not make the fact that the typical person from Chicago is not a porker. The exception does not counter-act the data. On another note; The Windy-City nick name comes from not the weather in Chicago, but the long windedness about the Chicagoan while talking. But anyway, I do not hear JasonC continue to back up his 'human-targets are human-targets no matter what' theory. An interesting fact is body builders (those that train so to exagerate muscles for posing), have a physical liability when subjected to battle damage. Not only are they a liability on long marches (they need so much food/energy) but when hit, they can experience a wierd reaction that depletes their bodies of electrolytes. They then go into shock and croak. This is from wounds that would not be fatal if given routine battlefield attention. The ideal body form is not too tall, tough like a mule without excessive bulk/muscle, high tolerance for pain/exertion, quickness and fast recuperation from exertion. If the weather is hot, men will quickly develop this bodyform. Pistol ammunition at battlefield ranges (50-100 meters) is comparitively less lethal than rifle bullets. Heavy clothing, ammunition carried, web gear, etc. reduce the effectiveness and so does thicker/tougher muscle. Its a physical fact, I will not get caught up in JasonC's deflections. I can accept that the vast majority of siberian troops from rural areas were physically tougher than troops from russian cities (don't the russians have a butter festival or something like that?). Its not all that farfetched or politically incorrect. Its not saying that some workers from the cities were not blacksmiths, carpenters, etc. But when trawling in units from schools, etc. you will land some puddinpops.

RR are different than Pupchenn. The Pup is a rocket launcher. I recently read that soem were captured around the time of teh Bulge battles. Along with 50mm mortars.

The game models hit distribution for all tanks as being the same. So the Panzer IV 50mm turret face is 'bigger' than it is in actuality? A simple cure would be to make the mantlet 50mm and the turret face 80mm. While this is a fudge, it just creates a turret based re arrangement that models the Panzer IV turret protection better. Anyone know the percetage distribution for a hull down and non-hull down tank in CM?

M1 Carbine is not a SMG round but even that quote shows that penetrating is a factor. So a 16 year old Berlin schoolboy that weighs 138 pounds is the same as a 170 pound man that has a laborers build? I just read a report on self inflicted wounds that remarked on how an army boot (leather) reduced the wounding from pistol ammo. This is not a matter of city people being inferior to country folk. Its a matter of the human target not being the same for people in different physical condition. For head wounds, it does not make that much of a difference. For Body hits, it does. If the outer layers of skin and muscle are tougher/thicker, then penetrating internal damage is reduced. I suspect JasonC is from a city and therefore is compelled to deflate this. What city was recently named number 1 in out of shape citizens in the US? (my city was named number 1 in fit citizens by the way).

But in terms of the mechanisms of wound dynamics, rifle bullets and pistol bullets are both bullets, and function in pretty much the same way. The stopping power of pistol loads and the killing power of rifle loads are both based on a combination of the temporary stretch cavity and the permanent crush cavity produced by the bullet as it traverses the target. Any theory that ignores either of these factors will give erroneous results. Ignore the temporary stretch cavity and your results will favor big caliber bullets. Ignore the crush cavity and your results will favor high velocity, nearly explosive bullets. Both results will be incorrect. \ http://www.chuckhawks.com/beginners_stopping_power.htm Stretching? crushing? Sounds like that meat needs to be tender.

Actually the city mice are probably larger than the siberian mice. Has nothing to do with size but rather sheer physical toughness. Its like shooting at a pony or a mule.

Calling the enemy tough is propaganda? This is a quote from a Finn mind you. The quote does have racist overtones but is actually commenting on the fact that not all soldiers are the same targets. Just as tanks can be tougher, so can humans. People from rural/remote areas usually have a physically demanding life. Much more so than people from cities. It would not make much of a difference if the firer was using rifle rounds, but in the case of pistol rounds, it does make a difference. Most military rifles can take down big game. SMGs are short ranged weapons. They are used against the enemy soemtimes within grenade range. The ability of a SMG to incapacitate an enemy is important.

"They were formidable opponents. We were urged to kill almost every Siberian twice, and most tough boys still a third time", told many Finnish veterans of wars: "Russian lads, coming against us in closed formation, intoxicated with vodka and singing Le Internationale, were bunny-boys but the Siberians were born soldiers! We met them in February 1940 and we learnt to respect those slant-eyed imps... !" Two bullets were enough for "bunny-boys" but five hits were necessary to dispatch a Siberian "imp". Sometimes they fought back despite ten or twelve wounds from 9 mm bullets. Perhaps CM should model imps and bunnys?

I dont think the Finns rechambered though.

I think a more important question is 'Do other people condider you a historian?'. JasonC, whatever you think of him, got others to think of him that way. I have defended myself in court (as in winning). But I would not want to consider myself a lawyer (or want to have others besmirch me with that label). I have written poetry that has moved women to tears (but would never want anyone to say I am a poet). I can fix practically anything and improve most anything electro-mechanical-cpu-controlled. I can do a lot of things really. But I would want others to bestow lofty titles/etc on me. In a BS world where hip-hop geniuses name themselves and create totally self-hyped personas, its nice to see others think highly of others for a change.

The Germans did rechamber these weapons to 9mm. http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/ppsh2.html http://www.continet.com/montyipsc/Wehrmt.htm [ January 25, 2004, 04:33 PM: Message edited by: Mr. Tittles ]

Someone mentioned a good idea about the covered arc setting influencing the ammo type (and also MG targetting). So if you give a brown covered arc, then HE will be the choice round IF it can do the job. A blue covered arc would tend to use AP. Also a blue coverd arc would tend to NOT use the MGs (unless MGS are the main weapon). This was brought up because using MGs is not always realistic/historical under certain conditions (when it just gives away a position). But its too early to discuss CM++ and too late to discuss CMBO/CMBB/CMAK so don't worry about it.

A good idea is to use move to contact and hide (as others say) but try to keep the half squad under the command of a stealthy HQ if possible. This may get them hidden before killed.

I think if someone researches a historic event from all perspectives, interviews surviving participants and reads as many accounts, diaries, etc as possible and then puts forth a new idea that can be backed up by that data, then he/she is a Historian. If he/she gets this published, reviewed, then maybe he/she is an acknowledged historian then. If some pipe smoking fart-knockers in a University agree with it, then isnt that special. But, If someone writes a book 'Socks of the SS' or something like that, well, he/she may just be a wierdo. It just isn't that historic. I do think it would be a ground breaking idea to have a major investigative work accompanyed by a wargame/simulation that backs up the thesis of the book. I read a study about Armor in the ETO. A platoon level game that could demonstrate the battles in detail (both as a 'picture-show' and as a playable game) would be noteworthy.

I liken it to the comparison of Scientist (useless), Engineer (pragmatic) and technician (Finds tricks that baffle Engineers and Scientists). It is an honorable thing to get your ticket punched but just because someone has more degrees than you, don't be intimidated. I have encountered many people with 4 year and higher degree that are functionally useless (but have swollen heads none the less). A good mix of intelligence, learning and eventually intuition based on experience kicks ass. Colleges nowadays are just diploma factories and in it for the money. They pass along everyone because thats business. Entry level people with degrees are actually dangerous to be around. unfortunately, its usually the bosses son. I think people have a need to cower and make out others to be 'geniusez', experts, professionals, blah, blah,blah. Idol worship or whatever. I am sure there are just as many talented, insightful historians as there are knuckleheaded quacks. There are 'professional' historians but also volunteer historians. If getting published and having your picture taken in front of a bookcase while wearing a jacket and smoking a pipe makes the grade then thats that. [ January 23, 2004, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: Mr. Tittles ]

If thats the case, thenI would certainly like to think of myself as a Technically Proficient Grognard Dick.

I thought people and events happening in the present created history. People in the future (future historians), would research and chronicle and postulate and such about those people and events in the past. Historians do not create history.

I would hate to be confined to something as limited as a being a Historian. I can do technical investigation into previous periods, present periods or future periods (new products). I think theres a big hangup on titles like 'Historian' or 'Scientist', etc. Some guys with PHDs gave another guy a PHD. Big friggin whoop. People like to call other people Grogs in wargaming. I do not think there are many technically qualified 'Grogs'. There are plenty of guys that will quote what unit fought another unit and who was in command and how many tanks/planes/pistols each had. Personally, I am drawn to technical matters. I like the weapons technology best. Investigating these matters, applying science/engineering/experience/etc. is interesting.

I am a technical investigator. A ballistic Dick, if you will.

http://www.kpjung.de/tasker1.htm Interesting US WWII radio stuff. Was the SCR300 a platoon radio? Perhaps a shared asset in the company; i.e. 2 per company, One at Company HQ and one with a platoon HQ? How common were the handie-talkies? perhaps 6 per company? In addition to wireless, the question about wire commo, especially in defense, is interesting.

I would assume that they are going to patch CMAK first, release it, and then see about patching whatever in CMBB.

I think the above quote is important in regards to MGs. Note he says that rifleman will be manning extra MGs. This is why I would want extra bazooks to be bought but just manned within squads/half squads or HQs.

Extract Historical Narrative & Journal, AC of S, G-3, April 1944. First Lieutenant HAROLD C. BISHOP, 168th Infantry. "The recommendation made in the following paper are based on experience gained in a stable defensive position on the ANZIO Beachhead between March and May, 1944, and to a certain extent, in a defensive position in the vicinity of SBIBA, Africa, in March 1943. A stable defensive position requires an entirely different type of training and organization than is required for offensive action. Riflemen should be trained to man machine guns as it will ordinarily be necessary to employ more than the ordinary number of machine guns. It is also valuable to have rifle company personnel trained in fire adjustment methods. A larger, more comprehensive communication system is used: an infantry battalion may well use as many as 40 telephones of various types. This is about 10 per company. It probably includes wireless and field (wire) phones. The companies in the line may have had a larger share of these radios.

I think Jason is confusing having men take point with scouting. I would imagine a 'scout' unit to be bought so that the extra men show up in a HQ unit. The scout can be deployed by splitting that HQ unit. this represents a NCO and an additional enlisted. The scouts ability to Spot and Identify units would be a function of his stealth, binos, etc.