Little Pete

That makes sense.I suppose using these on the normal CM map size is a little out of sorts with the likely historical use (at least the rarity points make sense in this case).

now i know that these guns are generally very limited in use for CM games (lots of points and HUGE sound contact) and i've only really had any success on very specific maps (long range,open,no mortars). I suppose they weren't too common historically either but i was wondering how they might have been used.Was it just a case of using them in very tough bunkers or were they used in the field. Thanks guys

Made up a few little armour scenarios last night (damn they are more fun in CMBB than CMBO). Basically one was a fight between 5 PzIV+1 StugIII (Crack) and 3 T34/43 (Elite)+10 T-70's (Veteran).Made to test out how good the PzIV is, I love it personally.Map Slightly wooded and pretty much split into two. Second was 4 crack Elefants with some AT support (coupla guns,1 panzershreck) and 4 20mm scout cars Vs 1 Plt Reg T34/85, 2 Plt Valentine IX (or whichever has the 57mm gun),2 plt T-70, 1 plt Su76.Fairly wooded map with the Germans in a small village. Battle 1: the 3 T-34's mangage to knock out a PzIV and the Stug with one gun damaged.Later on the two attack a PzIV from the flank and fail miserably until it casually wastes them. The T-70's on the other flank race into 3PzIVs (10 of the little buggers) and after a hectic two minutes knock out two then get the one that toasted my T34's.The last one backs away with gun damage and gets hail fired into surrender, 3 star little T-70's left (we took a pounding) but such a fun little battle. Battle 2: A lot longer and a LOT bloodier.The 'big' tanks advanced on my right and 15 small ones on my left through cover.The small ones managed to fight a good running battle with the scout cars (lost 1 gun damage and 1 to an elefant) and came around to the side of the village containing the Elefants.The right didnt make it too far with 5 tanks (3 Val,2 T34/85's) smoked very quickly (elefants and AT guns) and only one left hiding behind a wood (1 Elefant knocked out with a lucky hit). The fun bit was the next few minutes when i was running circles around 3 elefants with about 5 T 70s and an Su76, they were too fast to hit but if they got caught in the firing line it was bye bye baby.Finally immobilised the big bad guys with 2 T70 and the Su76 left (lost a couple to the panzerschreck and trying to take out the AT guns). so im dutifully pounding the rear armour at about 10m range (doing diddley squat as you can imagine,not as many weak point penetrations as in CMBO) and i bring in my reserve platoon of Vals.........ooops went into the LOS and they all got smoked bugger. To be fair to the SU-76 he managed to penetrate one's rear plate and they bailed, 2 left.Ah yes then i remember my last T34, 5 minutes driving the long way round (to avoid any LOS problems) and he was close in behind them with the 3 light vehicles, still dutifully firing away.2 shots and its all over. Axis: 4 Elefants,4 scout cars Russian:2 T34,6 vals,8 T 70,3 Su76 + 1 damage What a bloody but bloody good fun conflict with mini tanks versus monsters

They can be some of the most effective units (partcularly on defence) when they get to open up from hiding. Had many AT heroes.....ahh the memories

Ah excellent, thanks a lot.

Made a few scenarios and thus far i have not been able to work out how to add writing to the map (eg.objectives,town names etc).Im sure its in the manual but whenever i remember about this i don't have the manual to hand.

Have been making up a few scenarios recently but never worked out how to add text to the map (EG.town names,objectives etc).Im sure its in the manual but whenever i remember about it i don't have the manual to hand. Somebody please sort me out

LOL It was just that none of the 8/9 HTs blew but the two Carriers just went up like the 4th of July

Had an interesting little experience the other night with carriers.Admittedly it was CMBO but basically two of my tigers had got in the midst of a big group of HTs (having wiped out most of the armour) on a narrow road in bocage (nowhere for them to run). The HTs were getting pasted and abandoned from both AP and MG fire.When they were hit some exploded (normal boom) and burned, nothing special. When i hit one of the universal carriers though, the thing nearly went nuclear (REALLY big bangs).Ok fair enough i think....maybe it was an 88 HE round.Next one that i hit (speeding away down the road to no avail) was with an AP round (i watched the ammo monitor) and again we had nuclear type carrier. Now if they were designated as ammo carriers i could understand this but they are just HT equivalents arent they? Was it just coindidence that i happened to get two catastrophic exlosions on the same vehicle model within 2 minutes of each other?

Yeah i think Tigers are cool for a solid, tough beast with a lot of punch.Not so good at advancing (in small groups anyway) because they're slow enough to be flanked and out-maneuvered (unless you do a Kursk and have them at the head of an armoured V of tanks). King Tigers i think are a little underpowered in CMBO (FAIRLY easy to eliminate and punch through with big guns) compared to CMBB (where i've had JS2's and others bouncing shells off for 5 minutes before leisurely being taken out in return).

He is lying to you then....or he is confused. Combat mission - Beyond Overlord has been out for 3/4 years i think Combat mission - Barbarossa to Berlin has been out for at least a year Combat mission - Afrika Korps has been out for a few months i think. Either he means you will get CM:Afrika or he is pretending that CM:Barbarossa to Berlin is a brand new game.

Hmm that sounds like a pretty cool idea ,not as easy to hide though but a lot more ammo.

Now the in game model shows an AT type unit (about the size of a 50mm gun) but only equipped with hollow charge rounds.Was it just a quick way to get AT guns on the field? Am I completely wrong?

Well said Abteilung. If we ever have to form a Battlefront army, i say JasonC goes on operational planning with some of the other strategists and the rest of us grunts get to be squad/company/battalion leaders etc

Sorry just have to post again to get this to a 100 post topic.