GreenAsJade

Status: most people seem to be using it OK. CMH 1.0.6 is only not OK if you are using Dropbox AND your dropbox folder is not in the default location. I definitely broke this... you can't set the dropbox folder location reliably to somewhere other than the default. I'll fix that as soon as I can. GaJ

I just realised that this thread is a troll thread posted by Steve to get us all to praise his game!!!

The basic premise of the question is wrong. It's not an expansion, it's a new game. GaJ

Thanks a lot Squeaker - much appreciated! GaJ

Hmm - dunno what's going on there - I'll have to take a look. Meanwhile, there's another nice friendly yellow button on the top right here: http://cmmods.greenasjade.net GaJ

That'd be lovely - there's a big friendly yellow button here: http://gregories.net/h2hh/H2H%20Helper.html (Man, I sure need to update that page now!) GaJ

A fair few minor teething issues getting straightened out ... 1.0.6_Beta is posted.

Yeah. Bumparooney.

Note: you can have CMH and H2HH installed on the same machine, and use whichever you like at any given time. However, you should not run them both at the same time. As you can imagine, if you do that, the both of them will be trying to move your game files around at the same time: only one will succeed and the other will complain loudly. GaJ

Hi All, In a thread near here there are instructions about how to set up H2HH to work with CMRT. I don't plan to update H2HH for 'built in' CMRT support, because I am nearly ready with the next evolution of H2HH .... "CM Helper". CH Helper has all the H2HH features (and is compatible with it) but has a roadmap of more useful things planned as well. You can get the beta version of CMH here: http://bit.ly/cm-helper If you're reporting an issue, please include the log (Options->Show Log Window). Thanks, GaJ

Hmmm? Do you also believe in alien abductions? Perhaps you should have mentioned that... GaJ

FWIW, H2HH tells you what the time is in your opponent's location, if you are both using H2HH & Dropbox... (right-click the game->Properties) You don't even have to know where your oppo is. GaJ

Note to marka about temporary files: in this instance, the fault was entirely mine - I can't blame Windows, it was just a bug in H2HH. As you can see by number and range of temp files left in /Temp by all sorts of programs, this is a tricky area to get right in all circumstances. H2HH does its best to be a good citizen and clean up after itself Cheers, GaJ

Hi All, H2HH 2.11.2 is available at bitly.com/h2h-helper This version fixes a bug where in some circumstances* would cause H2HH to leave temporary files not-cleaned-up, consuming some disk space unnecessarily. GaJ *: trying to chat with an opponent with an old version of H2HH

Just to confirm what Mike passed on: with Mike's help I found what was causing these temp files to sometimes appear and this is fixed in H2HH 2.11.2, is available now. This problem was introduced when I had to update the chat file format, around about 2.8.x As a result of that change, H2HH got the possibility of becoming confused when encountering chat files from oppos who had not updated, and forgot to delete it's temporary file in that case. As always - if you spot a problem, let me know. Cheers, GaJ

OK, PMed, let the detective work begin

Mad Mike, let's get to the bottom of this off line, if you're willing to help me track down the cause of it. I sounds like the temp files that H2HH is using are not getting deleted properly. In theory, this isn't possible But that's just theory. I'll drop you a PM, we'll see where we get. GaJ

I thought of another question. If someone else finds these, before you delete them could you take a moment to check the creation dates on them? I would like to know if they were created over a period of time, or all suddenly at once, and when this was. Apologies if this is causing hassles or stress to anyone - I'm sure that H2HH is not the first and won't be the last program to inadvertently generate a bunch of files/data. In fact, right now, my own AppData/Local/Temp directory has 600M in 1500 files, none of which came from H2HH. Pretty normal stuff (especially for Windows). But rest assured that with your constructive help I'll make sure that H2HH doesn't contribute to this un-necessarily. GaJ

Mike, can you confirm that you found the files in AppData/Local/Temp (not some other place that I'm not aware of). Can you also confirm that after deleting them, and using H2HH 2.11.0, you don't get any more? I am waiting for this to be confirmed by someone who had the problem, because it will confirm that whatever made it happen in the past appears to have gone away. (Or not, depending on the outcome). GaJ

Yes - there are indeed a bunch of other folders in there because as I said most applications need a temporary file at some time or other, and that's the standard place to put them. Some applications are better than others at cleaning these up after themselves. H2HH tries to be clean. I'm keen to confirm whether or not the H2HH ones you found are from an older version of H2HH that had a bug that we've only just discovered, or whether there's still some way H2HH is not succeding in cleaning up. Can you delete the existing ones, make sure you are running 2.11.0, and see if anymore come back? Thanks! GaJ

I spent some time on this, this evening. H2HH is very careful about when it updates anything in Dropbox. It only does it when something really changed (you or your oppo did a turn, or chatted). It is careful because apart from anything else, it's irritating to have dropbox telling you that a file changed, when nothing really is going on. I don't think any problem is relating to H2HH/Dropbox cache interactions. H2HH does from time to time create a temporary file, using the standard operating system calls for this (as do many programs) which it deletes after it has finished - quicker than you can even see them arrive and go. It's conceivable that a version of H2HH wasn't deleting these properly, or that some other circumstance causes them to hang around. However, I have played around with everything I can think of to cause something like that to happen, and have not been able to. Furthermore, the most recent versions of H2HH give a warning if they can't delete the file: they specifically check if it's gone. The OP didn't say what version of H2HH caused him grief, and Tarqelne reports that he doesn't find these files when using 2.11.0. So I'm concluding there might have been a bug in an older version, but everything seems right with the most recent. Tarqelne was looking in the right place: if they're created, they are in c:\users\your account\appdata\local\temp So if you are paranoid, by all means keep an eye out, and let me know if you spot these not being cleaned up properly. GaJ PS: chat definitely works, for me, as well

Here's what Dropbox has to say about this topic: https://www.dropbox.com/help/328/en Bottom line: any files that are created should get removed again by Dropbox within 3 days. So I'm not yet convinced I absolutely must do something. I will keep looking at the code to see if I am either updating this file far more often than I thought, or if I can reduce it even more. GaJ

This is a copy of the file that H2HH _does_ put in the dropbox folder of each game that you are playing. One file per person per game. H2HH updates this file with information it needs to keep track of chat (and related things). I'm pretty sure that if there are temp files of this nature, then it's dropbox keeping a copy for you "incase you want to undo the changes you made".

Update: I've had a look at recent changes I made to H2HH, and may have found an explanation for why a recent version of H2HH may have caused there to be more "versions" of chat files that Dropbox might feel compelled to cache. If true, this would explain Tarquelne's 1600 files. I'll keep poking around and see if it's true, and what I can do about it. About "chat not working" ... Tarquelne: what version of H2HH? GaJ

You guys have been using H2HH for 3-4 years now. Amazing. Do you know that in all that time, I've never been asked "how do I uninstall this?". I like to think that tells us something Actually it tells us two things: 1) People rarely do it 2) When they do, it's so obvious it doesn't need instructions. Nonetheless, the question has been asked, here is the answer: * Delete the folder that you created when you unzipped it That's it. H2HH is installed by unzipping, and uninstalled by deleting. H2HH doesn't mess with your registry (on Windows), and doesn't need any other "uninstallation" activity. GaJ