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I wouldn't disagree about the oil and maybe even greed. But still: Saddam sent Scuds to Israel for no reason but hate against the jews. He used chemical weapons against a population he wanted to get rid of. He started war against his neighbors even though this might lead to a worldwide conflict or crisis (burning oil wells). He let his army fight till the end (even though they might not have fought as fanatical than Nazigermany). He granted money to those families who lost a member because this member did a suicide attack against jews. And you really ask me how it might be possible that i remember Hitler when thinking about this man? :eek: :confused: Concerning the US: I have not forgotten that GIs went to Yougoslavia and Somalia, even though there was and is no oil or hope for gains to achieve. And i remember Saddam greeting the world via tv with an a-bomb fuse in his hand. [ July 24, 2007, 10:26 AM: Message edited by: xwormwood ]

As far as i remember it was Saddam who greeted the world showing the fuse / bomb nose fo an a-bomb. And he is the guy who already proved on several occasions that he would actualy use WMD if he ha the opportunity to (kurds, iran, israel). Considering this i coulddn't care less if WMD were found or not. I am glad and thankful that the USA stopped Saddam once and for all. Whatever happens now in Iraq is of course some kind of catastrophe, but what the heck. As a german i would always prefer doing something BEFORE it is too late (The Allies gave Hitler the rhineland, austria, the chechs and only because of this was this evil maniac able to ignite the world.

@ Ottomops Sorry, but this is way to cheap. Of course zionist knew and acted because of these prophecies. Else it wouldn't have been PROPHECIES but GODLY SECRETS. You can't blame a prophecy for beeing known to people who lived while this prophecy came true, kind of unfair, don't you agree? All in all it IS an absolut wonder that there is again a state Israel, after nearly 2000 (!) years of nothing. No other people survived 2000 years withour an own state. Nowhere else and never before in history. Ezekiel 20:34 (between 593-571 BC) I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered--with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrathy Hosea 3:4-5 (about 750 BC) For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days. @Sir Jersey Sorry, but the bankier was (oh, we germans) another Schchchcjhrlrlbarkbarkcoughcough: Hjalmar Schacht May i introduce you to our former Hitleryouthleader Mr. Baldur von Schirach

Even though i agree with much you have written here: this "stopped them cold" is - well - tendential rubbish.

This woman was Henriette von Schirach, the wife of HJ-Leader Baldur von Schirach. "In der Nacht zum Karfreitag 1943 sprach Henriette von Schirach auf dem Berghof Hitler auf die Judendeportationen in Holland an. Ihre Kritik an Hitlers Holocaust an den Juden fand bei den Nazis wenig Gefallen. Joseph Goebbels notierte 1943 in sein Tagebuch, dass „die Schirachs ihr Mitgefühl erst entdeckt hätten, nachdem fast 60.000 Juden gleichsam vor ihrer Haustür deportiert worden seien.“ (de.wikipedia) This couple must have had at least a bit common sense, even though they were serving and fullfilling the complete evil: "Later during the war [baldur] von Schirach pleaded for a moderate treatment of the eastern European peoples and criticized the conditions in which Jews were being deported. He fell into disfavor in 1943, but remained at his post" (en.wikipedia) By the way: even while Hitler was to a vey certain degree mad, he was surely not dumb. About 20 years ago i met an architect in the black forest who built several buildings in the 1930s in Munich. At least at one occasion (can't remember it exactly, too long ago) Hitler visited him and spoke with him about architecture. This gentle and christian old man told me, that Hitler was many things, but surely he wasn't stupid but well educated and sharp, at least when it came to architecture.

According to wikipedia.de: hitler wasn't told about the real effect of TABUN / SOMAN, because the leading officials of the program were affraid about what this kind of escalation would bring for the german side. An active use of these nerve agent might have had a similar effect just like the manhattan programm. (sorry for the rough and unexact translation) "Deutschland hatte Ende der dreißiger Jahre als erste Nation die großtechnische (industrielle) Produktion von Nervengasen entwickelt, war also als einzige Kriegspartei zur Herstellung von Kampfgasen im Kilo- und Tonnenbereich in der Lage. Dieser Umstand gekoppelt mit der Verfügbarkeit modernster Trägersysteme (V-2) hätte die politische Führung in die Lage versetzt einen Gaskrieg zu entfesseln, der unter Umständen von der Tragweite her ähnlich gravierend hätte sein können, wie der erste Einsatz von Atomwaffen (Manhattan-Projekt). Die verantwortliche Führung des deutschen Kampfgasentwicklungsprogramms verheimlichte Hitler gegenüber bewusst die tatsächlichen Möglichkeiten, denn man befürchtete eine Eskalation zum Gaskrieg falls Hitler klar werden sollte, welche Wirkung beispielsweise ein mit Tabungefechtsköpfen bestückter V-2-Angriff auf London haben könnte" Sarin: Sarin was discovered in 1938 in Wuppertal-Elberfeld in Germany by two German scientists while attempting to create stronger pesticides; it is the most toxic of the four G-agents made by Germany. The compound, which followed the discovery of the nerve agent tabun, was named in honor of its discoverers: Gerhard Schrader, Ambros, Rüdiger and Van der LINde. In mid-1939, the formula for the agent was passed to the Chemical Warfare section of the German Army Weapons Office, which ordered that it be brought into mass production for wartime use. A number of pilot plants were built, and a high-production facility was under construction (but was not finished) by the end of World War II. Estimates for total sarin production by Nazi Germany range from 500 kg to 10 tons. Though sarin, tabun and soman were incorporated into artillery shells, Germany ultimately decided not to use nerve agents against Allied targets. German intelligence was unaware that the Allies had not developed similar compounds, but they understood that unleashing these compounds would lead the Allies to develop and use chemical weapons of their own, and they were concerned that the Allies' ability to reach German targets would prove devastating in a chemical war. Soman: Soman was discovered by Richard Kuhn in Germany in 1944, and represented the last wartime nerve agent discovery (GF was not found until 1949). Soman was given the identifier GD post-war (GC was already in medical use) when the information relating to soman was recovered by the Soviet Union from its hiding place in a mine. Tabun: Tabun, the first known nerve agent, was discovered accidentally in 1936 by the German researcher Dr. Gerhard Schrader. Dr. Schrader was experimenting with a class of compounds called organophosphates, which kill insects by interrupting their nervous systems, in order to create a more effective insecticide for the IG Farben pharmaceutical conglomerate at Elberfield. Instead of a new insecticide, however, he discovered tabun, a chemical which is enormously toxic to humans as well as to insects. During World War II as part of the Grün 3 program, a plant for the manufacture of tabun was established in Dyhernfurth (now Brzeg Dolny, Poland), producing the nerve agent under the codename Trilon-83. Run by Anorgana GmbH, the plant began production in 1942. Large scale manufacturing of the agent resulted in problems with the product's degradation over time and only around 12,500 tons of material were manufactured before the plant was over-run by the advancing Soviet forces. The plant initially produced shells and aerial bombs using a 95:5 mix of tabun and chlorobenzene, designated "Variant A" before switching in the latter half of the war to "Variant B," an 80:20 mix of tabun and chlorobenzene designed to make the mixture disperse more easily. The Soviet government had the plant dismantled and taken back to Russia. Nerve Agent: This first class of nerve agents, the so-called G-Series, was accidentally discovered in Germany on December 23, 1936 by a research team headed by Dr. Gerhard Schrader. Since 1934, Schrader had been in charge of a laboratory in Leverkusen to develop new types of insecticides for IG Farben. While working toward his goal of improved insecticide, Schrader experimented with numerous fluorine-containing compounds, eventually leading to the preparation of tabun. In experiments, tabun was extremely potent against insects: as little as 5 ppm of tabun killed all the leaf lice he used in his initial experiment. In January 1937, Schrader observed the effects of nerve agents on human beings first-hand when a drop of tabun spilled onto a lab bench. Within minutes he and his laboratory assistant began to experience miosis (constriction of the pupils of the eyes), dizziness, and severe shortness of breath. It took them three weeks to recover fully. In 1935 the Nazi leadership had passed a decree that required all inventions of possible military significance to be reported to the Ministry of War, so in May of 1937 Schrader sent a sample of tabun to the chemical warfare (CW) section of the Army Weapons Office in Berlin-Spandau. Dr. Schrader was summoned to the Wehrmacht chemical lab in Berlin to give a demonstration, after which Schrader's patent application and all related research was classified. Colonel Rüdiger, head of the CW section, ordered the construction of new laboratories for the further investigation of tabun and other organophosphate compounds, and Schrader soon moved to a new laboratory at Wuppertal-Elberfeld in the Ruhr valley to continue his research in secret throughout World War II. Three of the most widely known agents, sarin (GB), soman (GD), and tabun (GA) were also developed during this period for use as chemical warfare agents, but were not used in combat. Cyclosarin (GF) was developed somewhat later, in 1949, by the same team. The prefix "G" was used in the names of all the chemicals because they were of German origin[2]. In 1939, a pilot plant for tabun production was set up at Munster-Lager, on Luneberg heath near the German Army proving grounds at Raubkammer. In January 1940, construction began on a secret plant, code named "Hochwerk" (High factory), for the production of tabun at Dyherrnfurth an der Oder (now Brzeg Dolny in Poland), on the Oder River 40 km (24.9 miles) from Breslau (now Wrocław) in Silesia. The plant was large, covering an area of 2.4 by 0.8 km (1.5 by 0.5 miles), and was completely self-contained, synthesizing all intermediates as well as the final product, tabun. The factory even had an underground plant for filling munitions, which were then stored at Krappitz (now Krapowice) in Upper Silesia. The plant was operated by Anorgana GmbH, a subsidiary of IG Farben, as were all other chemical weapon agent production plants in Germany at the time. Because of the plant's deep secrecy and the difficult nature of the production process, it took from January 1940 until June 1942 for the plant to become fully operational. Many of tabun's chemical precursors were so corrosive that reaction chambers not lined with quartz or silver soon became useless. Tabun itself was so hazardous that the final processes had to be performed while enclosed in double glass-lined chambers with a stream of pressurized air circulating between the walls. 3,000 German nationals were employed at Hochwerk, all equipped with respirators and clothing constructed of a poly-layered rubber/cloth/rubber sandwich that was destroyed after the tenth wearing. Despite all precautions, there were over 300 accidents before production even began, and at least 10 workers died during the 2.5 years of operation. Some incidents cited in A Higher Form of Killing: The Secret History of Chemical and Biological Warfare are as follows: * Four pipe fitters had liquid tabun drain onto them; they died before their rubber suits could be removed. * A worker had 2 liters of tabun pour down the neck of his rubber suit; he died within 2 minutes. * Seven workers were hit in the face with a stream of tabun of such force that the liquid was forced behind their respirators; only two survived despite heroic resuscitation measures. The plant produced between 10,000 and 30,000 tons of tabun before its capture by the Soviet Army . In mid-1939, sarin was invented, and the formula for the agent was passed to the Chemical Warfare section of the German Army Weapons Office, which ordered that it be brought into mass production for wartime use. A number of pilot plants were built, and a high-production facility was under construction (but was not finished) by the end of World War II. Estimates for total sarin production by Nazi Germany range from 500 kg to 10 tons. During that time, German intelligence believed that the Allies also knew of these compounds, assuming that because these compounds were not discussed in the Allies' scientific journals information about them was being suppressed. Though sarin, tabun and soman were incorporated into artillery shells, the German government ultimately decided not to use nerve agents against Allied targets. The Allies didn't learn of these agents until shells filled with them were captured towards the end of the war. This is detailed in Joseph Borkin's book The Crime and Punishment of IG Farben: Speer, who was strongly opposed to the introduction of tabun, flew Otto Ambros, I.G.'s authority on poison gas as well as synthetic rubber, to the meeting. Hitler asked Ambros, "What is the other side doing about poison gas?" Ambros explained that the enemy, because of its greater access to ethylene, probably had a greater capacity to produce mustard gas than Germany did. Hitler interrupted to explain that he was not referring to traditional poison gases: "I understand that the countries with petroleum are in a position to make more [mustard gas], but Germany has a special gas, tabun. In this we have a monopoly in Germany." He specifically wanted to know whether the enemy had access to such a gas and what it was doing in this area. To Hitler's disappointment Ambros replied, "I have justified reasons to assume that tabun, too, is known abroad. I know that tabun was publicized as early as 1902, that Sarin was patented, and that these substances appeared in patents. (...) Ambros was informing Hitler of an extraordinary fact about one of Germany's most secret weapons. The essential nature of tabun and sarin had already been disclosed in the technical journals as far back as 1902, and I.G. had patented both products in 1937 and 1938. Ambros then warned Hitler that if Germany used tabun, it must face the possibility that the Allies could produce this gas in much larger quantities. Upon receiving this discouraging report, Hitler abruptly left the meeting. The nerve gases would not be used, for the time being at least, although they would continue to be produced and tested. After World War II, the Allies recovered German artillery shells containing the three German nerve agents of the day, prompting further research into nerve agents by the former Allies. In 1952, researchers in Porton Down, England invented the VX nerve agent, but soon abandoned the project. In 1958 the British government traded their VX technology with the United States of America in exchange for information on thermonuclear weapons; by 1961 the US was producing large amounts of VX, and performed its own nerve agent research. This research produced three more agents; the four agents (VE, VG, VM, VX) are collectively known as the "V-Series" class of nerve agents. Chemical warfare in World War II Despite article 171 of the Versailles Peace Treaty and a resolution adopted against Japan by the League of nations on 14 May 1938, the Imperial Japanese Army frequently used chemical weapons. By fear of retaliation however, those weapons were never used against Occidentals but against other Orientals judged "inferior" by the imperial propaganda. According to historians Yoshiaki Yoshimi and Seiya Matsuno, the chemical weapons were authorized by specific orders given by emperor Showa himself, transmitted by the chief of staff of the army. For example, the Emperor authorized the use of toxic gas on 375 separate occasions during the battle of Wuhan from August to October 1938. [5]. They were also profusely used during the invasion of Changde. The Imperial Japanese Army used mustard gas and the recently-developed blister agent Lewisite against Chinese troops and guerillas. During these attacks, the Japanese also employed biological warfare by intentionally spreading cholera, dysentery, typhoid, bubonic plague, and anthrax produced by Unit 731. Experiments involving chemical weapons were conducted on live prisoners (Unit 731 and Unit 516). As of 2005, 60 years after the end of the war, canisters that were abandoned by Japan in their hasty retreat are still being dug up in construction sites, causing injuries and allegedly even deaths[citation needed]. During World War II, chemical warfare was revolutionized by Nazi Germany's accidental discovery of the nerve agents tabun and sarin by Gerhard Schrader, a chemist of IG Farben. The nerve agent soman was discovered by Nobel Prize laureate Richard Kuhn and his collaborator Konrad Henkel at the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Medical Research in Heidelberg in spring of 1944 (see Schmaltz 2005; Schmaltz 2006). The Nazis developed and manufactured large quantities of several agents, but chemical warfare was not extensively used by either side though chemical troops were set up (in Germany since 1934) and delivery technology was actively developed. Recovered Nazi documents suggest that German intelligence incorrectly thought that the Allies also knew of these compounds, interpreting their lack of mention in the Allies' scientific journals as evidence that information about them was being suppressed. Germany ultimately decided not to use the new nerve agents, fearing a potentially devastating Allied retaliatory nerve agent deployment. William L. Shirer, in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, writes that the British high command considered the use of chemical weapons as a last-ditch defensive measure in the event of a Nazi invasion of Britain. On the night of December 2, 1943, German Ju 88 bombers attacked the port of Bari in Southern Italy, sinking several American ships - among them John Harvey, which was carrying mustard gas intended for use in retaliation by the Allies if German forces initiated gas warfare. The presence of the gas was highly classified, and authorities ashore had no knowledge of it - which increased the number of fatalities, since physicians, who had no idea that they were dealing with the effects of mustard gas, prescribed treatment improper for those suffering from exposure and immersion. The whole affair was kept secret at the time and for many years after the war (in the opinion of some, there was a deliberate and systematic cover-up). According to the U.S. military account, "Sixty-nine deaths were attributed in whole or in part to the mustard gas, most of them American merchant seamen" out of 628 mustard gas military casualties. The large number of civilian casualties among the Italian population were not recorded. Part of the confusion and controversy derives from the fact that the German attack was highly destructive and lethal in itself, also apart from the accidental additional effects of the gas (it was nicknamed "The Little Pearl Harbor"), and attribution of the causes of death between the gas and other causes is far from easy. The affair is the subject of two books: Disaster at Bari by Glenn B. Infield and Nightmare in Bari: The World War II Liberty Ship Poison Gas Disaster and Coverup by Gerald Reminick. Although chemical weapons were not intentionally deployed on a large scale during on the front lines of the European Theatre of World War II, there were some recorded uses of them by the Axis Powers, when retaliation was not feared: * In 1944, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husayni, the senior Islamic religious authority of the Palestinian Arabs and close ally of Adolf Hitler, sponsored an unsuccessful chemical warfare assault on the Jewish community in Palestine. Five parachutists were supplied with maps of Tel Aviv, canisters of a German–manufactured "fine white powder," and instructions from the Mufti to dump chemicals into the Tel Aviv water system. District police commander Fayiz Bey Idrissi later recalled, "The laboratory report stated that each container held enough poison to kill 25,000 people, and there were at least ten containers." * During the Holocaust, the Nazis used the insecticide Zyklon B, which contains hydrogen cyanide, to kill several million people in extermination camps such as Auschwitz and Majdanek. Tear and reportedly poison gasses were used by against civilian and guerilla shelters during the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943, and again against sewer lines of communication during the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. In the concentration camp Struthof-Natzweiler in occupied Alsace the German physicians August Hirt and Otto Bickenbach conducted human experiments with mustard gas and phosgene on inmates to test possible prophylactic and therapeutic treatments causing injuries and death of many prisoners. Sources: all wikipedia

The answer lies within the even more idiotic leaders of France & UK! "Peace for our time" saved Hitler, because "those military generals" couldn't sack a leader with such success. As far as i know important parts of the generals were ready to eleminate Hitler in 1936 (Rheinland), but couldn't do it because France did nothing to stop Hitler. Same goes for Austria (Anschluss) and Munich 1938. Even in 1939 it would have been possible, if there would have been a REAL reaction instead of the phoney war / drolle de guerre. And if we look back to 1918, well, the Entente wasted their vicory there, plowing the field for things like the 3rd Reich as well. They should have been much milder toward Germany, or even much harder. But this unhealthy middle thing weakend Germany only just enough to make it strong and angry enough for a revenge war 20 years later. I see no real wisdom between 1918 and 1945. Nowhere. Sorry. edit: well, ok, maybe Gandhi, of course

1) Das Boot (Original Uncut Version) 2) The Bridge (Die Bruecke) 3) Band of Brothers 4) To End all Wars 5) A thin red Line 6) Schindlers List 7) The Pianist 8) Sophie Scholl - The Final Days 9) A Bridge to far 10) The longest day

If i would be an evil man i would add now "and even later on traded Srebrenica for some fancy medals" Please don't take this comment personaly, i DO know (of course) that there is no glory in being german as well.

I can only agree. Even if the Iraq war is quite a disaster and maybe started partly because of the wrong reasons (oil) - i would always prefer actions against an evil regime instead of endless appeasement (unfortunatly europe will probably never learn the lessons of 1933-1939).

Sorry, but i think you are utterly wrong. Hitler took over after Germany got on the right track again (Autobahn was already planned before Hitler, the economy had already improved as well). He simply took over at the perfect moment, harvesting what others had already planted. All he did later was to prepare a war, spending therefor money which wasn't there to spend. And what he really thought about the german people came through when he order to torch all germany in 1945...

WW1? :confused: Sorry, but it was France & the UK who helped Hitler most. 1936: Rhineland If France would have marched in 1936... 1938: Munich UK & France let Hitler stay alive (without appeasement Hitler would have been arrested by the german generals) So don't blame Russia for 1939 It was the west, who feeded this demon first... PS: even in 1939 France could have done more: after Poland the german Wehrmacht was very low on ammo...

I experienced this as well some month before in a game (1941 scenario) against the ai. A bug to far for Mr. Carter...

Yes, chocolate and cheese will surely do the trick. I think neutral airspace should be closed. I could live with exceptions depending on the diplomacy level (allowed if nation favours your side by 20 / 30 / 40 ... %).

Aircraft Interned in Switzerland during WW2 Some more infos some more and more and moremore [ March 20, 2007, 07:42 AM: Message edited by: xwormwood ]

I experienced this in the east as well, and no country was liberated before, within, or after this turn (east "german" / polish border to russia) [ March 13, 2007, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: xwormwood ]

You shouldn't have traded your kingdom away for THIS lame joke, von Strachwitz.

I have another odditiy to report (even though this happend in previous patch-versions as well):

Thanks, Maestro!

Yes, Panzer Generals 2! It is a shame that SSI is gone. Hubert, can't you buy the rights and give us more? PLEASE! Fantasy General 2 or Peoples General 2, i would be willing to pay in advance, honestly!

SSI had in Pacific General (Admiral) some nice ideas about how to use music. Would be nice to have an music option. Would be even more nice if we would be allowed to use our own mp3-files.

Ok, the cracks here probably know this since months, but i just found out that a right mouse click onto a nation flag of your side opens the production table of this country (if it is on your side). :eek: Are there any more secrets out there? :confused: :confused:

Wikipedia for all. Read & learn.

while we are talking about display problems: i have a minor problem as well since i updated to 1.06 at the right side of the map (urals) the map is somewhat corrupted: As far as i can remember the map was ok with 1.05a. 1600*1200, Radeon x800xt platinum edition, 8.33.0.0 driver installed Not that it is a real problem, but it still is a bit anoying to see.

The Padua (=Kruzenshtern) is Pamir video footage from 1957 [ March 01, 2007, 04:07 PM: Message edited by: xwormwood ]