Desert Dave

Not if yer one of the last Mans... still standing, Or kneeling or reeling Or sprawled all across The cold cactus grit An' dirt. At the OK Corral, pal. And, One of them others - can you See 'im 'ere, Dude? Over there! in the gloaming, Dreaming schemes of dire and doom? :eek: It is... Fast Draw McGraw, Hah hah, ah Hah hah hah hah hah, And his hands! What magic hands, you Oughta see 'em! Like skeins of bleeding white There in the nearing night. Yah, get ready, Idaho Hombre, Get really ready, I'd advise, To FINALLY learn How to... reload! LOLOLOLOL! BTW: If you miss 'im, or, perchance, 'E misses you (... this is chance, REAL deal chance, and not like folks wringing and wranging over weather-whims in SC-2!) Not to worry, see, There's ALWAYS somebody, some where, Who is... strapping it on, And... coming. Who is... faster than you. Faster than Buffalo Bill Cody With 'is awful wild, light Blue, bad-bully eyes, And, faster even! Than yer Much remarked, wildly admired And oft ballyhoo'd Nemesis, yep Faster than... Yodl, Too.

Valid points Diced Ice, And yet I would finally add this: Where is it written? In what book, Military, Sacred or the one You keep deeply secret In your fertile mind, That JUST BECAUSE the status quo Is, presently, such & so, We must, Like lemmings headed over the cliff, CONTINUE to "follow" any of those? :confused: You may suppose, I don't actually know, That I dwell in some un-real, surreal, Sloppily pseudo-intellectual... Dream World. Fine by me, I NEVER mind what somebody else imagines, It's... ALL to the good. What I AM saying is this: There had better be some alteration In HOW we interpret so-called "Received histories & other Myths, superstitions and tell-tales" Else, We just ain't gonna make it, As a species. My opinion merely. I start from the first, With the basics, if you will, IE, No more senseless slaughter. Seems reasonable to me. Then, As that will hardly be enough, [... there ARE legions of deranged folks such as socio-paths and ignorant "MY bible ONLY" or usually useless chest-thumpers, I appreciate] I hope and, yea, pray For that liberating day, When the "collected consciousness" (... no, this ain't merely the province of it's originator, Carl Jung, BUT the common everyday will-full ability of EACH human to reach way the hell down in heart & mind & soul, and arrive at... a most ecstatic, and commonly UNDERSTOOD "epiphany") Has one a' them JOLTS, And throws over all the haters & dolts, Why, Sure enuff, The "right stuff" will get done. :cool: The "old order" rapidly over-thrown, Like it wuz... magic. NO verbal exchanges, NO babel of lingo differences impeding, As ALL will just... KNOW What is... NOW required. Call it what you choose. I say... it's not fantasy, It IS... quite likely to occur. IMHO. **May it be... before the nasty boys Destroy our Earth, what With 'em Self-enlarging play-toys. [ July 17, 2006, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]

Yea indeed TK, And here's the gist of what I am ALSO Saying, albeit somewhat clumsily. Once Hubert gets back from WELL deserved Vacation time, He's gonna do some Mojo Magico With a LOT of those troublesome scripts, AI, And O/W. What I can foresee, and actually, HOPE to see, Is that you, and others inclined, Will THEN work off of that, So to augment the eventual "Gold Standard" For default game and scenarios, Which he will surely, absolutely implement. I do NOT mean to suggest, and, IF I have, I apologize, That what you guys are doing is lesser Or, notso valuable. It surely IS... wait and see what V 1.03 Brings and that will, no doubt, Inspire you to even greater heights, I'm fair confident. Then, Perhaps? Some of your latest & greatest! Stuff can be implemented so to provide Expert variations In MODS such as this F&F one, And others to come, as well. :cool: [... my own, included! Have been working on it for 6 or 8 months now, and WHEN Hubert does his brilliant thing, I may well add in some of YOUR innovations, too! ]

Now who was it? One must wonder? Kept on a'saying that Editor! QUIT! Bringing up and mentioning That unprecedented! Editor! Superior and inspired work, Frederic & Fabrice, [... I originally suspected as Inspectre C, that you were "Fantomas" in disguise! ] And great self-less offer of assistance Etienne! ... ah, the French, NEVER discount their elan and aplomb! You guys are living proof That Hubert Did the right thing, In providing an Editor So that "creative Artists" could Make something innovative & grand, And so, you are now doing. :cool:

I would suggest that ALL of these "bug" reports go in the appropriate forum, set aside so that Hubert can address these without having to read through countless posts... he MIGHT just miss something, though, We the testers usually repeat/report these bugs in the Beta thread designed for that purpose. But, not ALWAYS, since we are not perfectly vigilant... so best to write these up over in "tech area." Iron Ranger has suggested a "sticky" for bug reports, which is not a bad idea. :cool:

What the hey? :confused: In above example, Jim N has the opportunity To DEFEND himself and whosoever else He should prefer to... faithful Jane, perhaps. I repeat: WW-2 witnessed the VERY FIRST en masse, Cap-T... "Terror bombing." Bombing implies the use of AIR craft, At least it did then, Aside from the rocketry anyhow; En Masse means WHOLE neighborhoods In one blistering swath. The kind of places with trees got swings Dangling from ropes? Got victory gardens? Got some are fat, and some Damn near starving to death? Like it's always been? So, anyway, Joe N, he The Man, the pilot. His buddy is sighting, and each Of the crew doing their part, as Good ol' pub-crawling pal... is releasing The bombs. Maybe muttering, Possibly even - shouting! Bombs Away! Upon: In Dresden, it is Hans. In London, it is Sean. In Tokyo, it is Yan. In America it was... well, anyway, All of whom are... 3 years old. Riding a motor scooter, the kind You push with one little leg? Maybe even a lever he or she can work it To ring the bell - look out World! Ecce Homo, in miniature I am! On my way to being Great! Just being antic, having SOME fun. (... kids are amazingly intuitive and KNOW when the parents, the back-yard, the neighborhood is in trouble, so not as MUCH fun as during times of, let's say, an honorable peace, I will grant you that) None of 'em 3 can fold their arms And say - hey! Adult who should know better? Adult who CAN and SHOULD make The WHOLE built-environment... BEST possible? How about acting like you were, oh, Let me consult me Story Book, ummm, How about? A "Chivalrous Knight!" who LIVES for old honor, and As far as I know - and that ain't much, me? I am merely - 3 years old, Going on 4! Yep, a Knight-like and stalwart Hero Who, NEVER roamed the countryside slashing & slaying Women & kids, Elderly & sickened, Merchants & nurses like Nightengales, Nor song singers or artists, Or those who labor tirelessly, All the day and all the night long To put out fires, Remove wrack of debris, and Rescue kids and dogs from early entombment Due to random, senseless, Truly insane bombings. Did they? I WRONG here? **Now, I repeat for the very last time, If any of those 3 kids Or - ANY kids in ANY war In ANY time, way back then, right now, Or in future, (... should we have one, and, well You REALLY gotta wonder) Are evaporated in fire Or explosion by adult... cowards, Who kill from high above, In some Air Craft, I - personally, consider it A war crime, And WHOMEVER is piloting, or aiming, Or in some manner directing that annihilation Of a child and/or any "non-combatant" (... IE, they have not elected to participate in these latest acts of mindless madness) IS, ipso in actual facto, a war criminal. Should be cuffed up And stuck in the dock. Should be punished. Maybe even... hung from the neck until dead. See what I mean, sans - that sleight obfuscation You've introduced, Diced Ice? [ July 17, 2006, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]

Conscious decision by the "peace makers," Which, one hopes, Will soon enough out-number the thugs. IE, don't buy them. Naive? Probably, But having helped run a very successful Business for over 10 years, I do know this much: Nobody buys yer stuff, You shutter the doors and make something That is appealing. Self defense is ever justified. Determining exactly how that applies Is another matter. Simple when some goons break down yer door And brandish weapons And demand their brutal due. Knock 'em down, HOWEVER you got to. It wasn't until WW-2 that this whole notion Of "terror" from the skies commenced. Once Pandora's Box Hath been opened, well, next time It is MUCH easier to rationalize, And in the process, Come up with clever yet awful euphemisms Such as: "collateral damage." A return to Code of Honor, Among men, Among Nations, Would be ideal. Gonna happen? Now, these ever more (... apparently) Desparate times? Probably not. Well, Cary, I am right ... for me. What you, or the next guy deems righteous, Is not for me to say, UNLESS, Their credo or "book of instruction" impinges On long-standing, Hard-earned tenets of "law & order." Who wants Chaos? Return to the Jungle? Really? We have evolved to this point Mostly due to refinement Of the Cerebral Cortex. We can only continue to evolve, IMHO, With apt integration Of BOTH the "religious impulse" AND the "rational" didactum. Neither, all alone, Will do, though, as now, Far too many suppose that one or the other Is enough. It isn't, Won't EVER be. BTW, greatly appreciate your documented Sourcing, Your elegant use of the language Especially, Not to mention some VERY original & creative thinking. [ July 16, 2006, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]

The history of us, Is an almost unfathomable tapestry. We are each one stitch thereon. How on Earth To make great sense of it... all? It is not to be precisely located In ANY History Book, No matter how well documented. Anecdote, Wive's Tales, What is told by an Idiot, A rampant animal etched on a coat Of Arms. Go with yer gut, intuition, What occurs to you in dreams. Things are never, ever what they seem. Very nice (... apocryphal? No matter) Story, Diced Ice. :cool: There are two quotes I have Written on my gaming-room wall, Verbatim, quite literally. The first, by a man I greatly admire, Have read over & over again, A Hero for the Ages: ___________________________________ "How ridiculous and unrealistic is the man who is astonished at anything that happens in life." -- Marcus Aurelius, Roman Emperor ___________________________________ The second, also a man of honor And much wisdom, IMO: _____________________________________ "In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me - and by that time no one was left to speak up." -- Pastor Martin Niemoller, Dachau, 1944 ___________________________________________ Well, everybody has their own inspirations. Each is equal to anybody else's. And so it goes and goes. [ July 16, 2006, 09:59 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]

Scapegoat of the day Is, it would seem? Catholics, Again? LOL. I remember when I was down At North Fort Polk, Loosianner, Circus 1966 it was, Doing my AIT, For God and Country, You know how it goes? Ah, "Tiger Land" It was AKA, Where you'd go to the Armorer each day (... he was an irascible Puerto Rican, if that means anything? THEY been scape-goated of late? LOL!) And he'd grudgingly hand out That dulled black plastic M-16 Mattel Toy, and then You'd thrash around them forested swamps All the foetid day long, And at last, turn that practise MG in Once done with the exercises? Anyway, One night I got loose from the Cats What wore them Smokey Bear hats? Had black & orange slashed Cav patches? Were usually about 20 or 22 yrs old? Just me on leave, And... my Canon camera, in case I should want Some priceless item for - rembrance Of things past, A'la Proust sans the padded room, [... actually I grew up mostly down South, so I already KNEW the lay of the land, the way of the unforgiving] And so, I came upon this huge old antebellum Sort of house by side of the road, Musta been owned by a Banker Or Politico or the local White-lightning Capitaliser, well, You couldn't actually see the house From the sidewalk, Just this long paved drive-way, But it did have a HUGE! rolling expanse Of deep green grasses And fragrant shrubs And flowers of every imaginable kind! :cool: All tres tres charming. Although... there WAS this One little expertly printed sign That bothered me, oh, For about... 20 seconds, since I don't Actually worry much over what somebody Else, Says is dogma, Or believes to be de rigeur. . Anyhow, Firmly staked-out Sign said: _________________________________ "All Yankee soldiers, And Black Cats, And Pope-lovers, And Dogs also, KEEP OFF THE GRASS!" _________________________________ True story, I got the PIC In a box here to home. Ya just gotta luv it, ain't ya? How we can be, here in America, Land of the mighty Brave & Free, Then they safe at a distance, Anyway, And yet... don't seem to me Things have changed all that much In the 40 years since them Ragin' 'Gator Days, nope, Different medium, is all.

LOL, ah, Kafka's K Redux, Nah, I warn't no hippie. Just a guy dropped out of college While my pals were claiming 2S status, So to become - first, a citizen soldier. Then, Iconoclast who never belonged To ANY group larger than... 2. The other most usually being, One a' them beautiful whores Who likes to walk in the rain. See? BTW, quit ragging me all to hell About playing yer scenario, It just ain't gonna happen. I done told you I'd take you to school On '39 Campaign once V 1.03 is released, And, BTW, Having tested it for awhile, It ain't bad! And, best - gonna get much much better Too! This I know! :cool:

Far better, Skando Kafka's K, You'd inquire after that Cool Old Shade, For ever known as Herb Caen, Columnist for The SF Chronicle, Circa '40s -> ~ '80s, And inventor of "3-dot journalism," IE, Liberal (... ooops! 'at 'er's some nasty bad word these dis-honorable days, I realize!) Use of ellipses (...like... this...), Not to mention the very first! To use the term... "beatnik." :cool: [... like most of the rest of the established Comfortable Classes, he hadn't really ANY clue of what he was talking about, in this regard anyhow] Who once mentioned that SF was like A beautiful whore walking lamp lighted streets All night in the fog & rain or, Some such wry aptness. Now, I don't have the EXACT quote and really don't care If I do wacka do, and won't Be bothered, now, to search for it, But, There you have the essence, Based on avid readings of 40 odd Years ago. Close enough! I liked SF well enough in the late 60s, Haight and People's Park and what-not, though Moreso, I spent time in Big Sur & Sausalito, Well, to each their own. Lately, however, we have some true tremendous! Hate-mongering, foul-lip Wrongo's Plying the air waves, as, witness: (... from a column authored by Joe Conason in Salon.com) __________________________________________________ July 14, 2006 | While Melanie Morgan debates with Ann Coulter about whether the executive editor of the New York Times should be killed by gas chamber or firing squad, the institutional forces behind the San Francisco radio host deserve to share in the national spotlight now focused on her. Morgan's brand of authoritarian extremism is brought to her radio listeners every day courtesy of the Disney Corp., which owns KSFO-AM -- a station that functions as a mouthpiece and fundraising mechanism for the Republican Party. __________________________________________________ Innocent little Disney Corp! Sponsoring, condoning such vile vitriol And actual! Callings for some Editor's head! Imagine that there! Why, All them cute & spry cartoons and that White Castle! In Fairyland! I usta watch as a kid, gee, My... my. Other matters: Well, You done brung it up again, Pointilleux Cognoscenti, Whoso apparently espouses Midwest sort of rolling-shoulder Comedie Noire, And so I say it once again: As said in the past - ANYONE who bombs Non-combatants, With ANY kind of explosive, incendiary Or other death-dealing device, SHOULD be prosecuted as a war criminal, NO exceptions. I must ask you: how is it That I don't know what I am talking about? :confused: How is it? That YOU know what I do NOT know? Or, What I do ken or nary reckon? Amazing! langoureux legerdemain, All the way from hallow halls @ Chicago U Clean down to the Sun-slammed high desert! You know these things! Can't quite get over that! _________________________________________________ As for the rest: 1) Too many humans chasing fast diminishing resources, at least, those... now KNOWN. 2) Too many War Profiteers, My gut guess? More! Than EVER before, here in America (... largest supplier of annihilation devices of any nation on earth) And, in Europe & Asia & Arabia too. Other places also - wherever stocks And ill-begotten gains Are traded for human sweat, For... human life. 3) Ego-centric world views will inevitably Lead to these sorts of selfish & avaricious Apprehensions. 4) Palestine deserves their own State, yep, and this ends with a PERIOD. 5) Russia DID in fact suffer FAR more than any Other Nation in World War II, what's The big argument? Whyso or who deserves what Doesn't change one essential thing. Millions upon millions upon millions Of humans died all over the damn place, Which brings us to: 6) Approximately 30,000 deaths last year, Minimally deduced, Due to alcohol-related car accidents, which is, Incidentally - for all 'em claiming to value ALL of life, 10 times! the number killed @ Twin Towers. And so, just gotta ask? Where the outrage there? :confused: Or, RE: 100s' of thousands NOW starving to death In them so-called 3rd World countries? LOL, gotta laugh how SOME life, I'd gather, Is worth MORE than other's lives, Go figure. Well, Alcohol and tobacco are the single most Destructive drugs now on market. Hey! Why are these legal? And some other less offensive stuff, Such as that recently derided "weed" And peyote/mescaline and "Ecstasy" and even, dreaded old "lsd" Are illegal? VERY strange law-makers we got, Especially of late, What with this spying by telecommunications Corps, and 'em satellites in the sky And the old fashioned way too! RAT out! Yer neighbor, LOLOLOL! (... all them above mentioned drugs used within context of supervised and fully controlled religious or psychiatric purposes, but of course!) **Now, how about them XXXX (... insert yer very own favorite Sports team!) this year! Got 'em a good shot at the ultimately Useless! title? Though, as group catharsis, I suppose it's better Than... waving around fists & personally Preferred epistles and received histories, Which, As we certainly appreciate, Have been LOST! Baby, lost, In all them many & myriad (mis) translations! LOL!

Thanks for the encouragement Curry. "Rainsqualls" in this scenario are the same as "rain & mud" in the default game, though, it is often referred to as merely mud. Can't have one without the other, eh? The AI will improve as we go along, and I have some more time to enact better AI scripting. I have played Allies on Intermediate +1 against Axis AI and had one heck of a time holding back Rommel's desert toughened forces... in fact, he managed to destroy all my fortifications in and around El Alemein before reinforcements, and Montgomery HQ arrived... barely in time to push 'em back to Bardia. As I said, any comments, suggestions or ideas that would make this scenario better, don't hesitate to let me know. :cool:

Good point JG, The game has just not been played ENOUGH To fully realize all the possible permutations. When you play Blashy you gotta be ready! For anything! :eek: Another month or two, Some more detailed AAR's and suggestions Based on MANY and varied reports, And THEN we'll know a lot more About what needs tweaking, and What is best left alone. Too powerful Air Fleets, or Bombers? Well, How about researching your OWN interceptors Right from the get-go (... since you know your opponent just loves to bring the hard rains down) So that they can inflict great harm On those over-flights? Or, AA for that matter, it doesn't cost All that much. The U-boots, true, There could be some additional Assistance for them... and yet, Rambo has "lucked out" and managed, somehow? To decimate the RN? Rest assured, their are roughly 50 + Suggestions in Beta Forum covering Very nearly EVERY concern expressed By this time. Then, as per usual, Hubert will decide What, if anything, should be adjusted. Time. We got it. No need to rush around and implement "Quick fixes" BEFORE there is Better, more complete datum, So we won't be "re-acting" to Those "outliers" on the game graph, eh? :cool:

LOL, well Skando M, You sure SEEMED to have a real good time When you made yer Russian Campaign, Using that unprecedented Editor, true? You keep repeating this, it's Hard to tell you truly mean What you say, or Simply are being facetious? I give you the benefit, I assume you think it is a fantastic tool, That's cool, and so Eventually somebody else will make France 1940, Or perhaps? The Med Theatre, Start to finish? Now there's one I'd like to see done! :cool:

Could be, DH, You are getting "sick" because you worry TOO MUCH About what somebody else is saying? How about? Leben und Leben, zulassen, Ya? One Cat's "whining" is another's Genuine concern To have the game - they'd prefer? C'mon, lighten up. You been around quite awhile And have made many great contributions. Let everybody else make suggestions Comments, or even tell little stories, Without crashing down on 'em All the time, eh? :cool: [ July 12, 2006, 08:01 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]

Curry & SM, "Sand-storms" have the SAME effect As does "snow." I don't believe it was discussed Whether or not to have scenario-specific Notations in the Manual. I'll ask about it, WRT to all these smaller scaled sets, See what Hubert has to say. As I've mentioned in the "designer notes" IF you have ANY Suggestions or comments WRT this scenario, By all means post 'em up Or send EM to me. You get to that point, or Anybody does, I'll provide EM address... O/W You could get it from SeaMonkey. Speaking of which, I owe you a turn don't I? Pardon, I been on this "forced fast" For an upcoming Test @ VA, So, I've been "out of it" awhile now, Hallucinating? Even? [... ack! don't everbody agree at once! ] **Here is the rule from the Manual Which, in effect, applies to BOTH Snow and Sandstorms, though, As you likely already know, Neither Amphib nor Op moves Are allowed in this scenario: _____________________________________________ Operational movement is allowed, but re-basing of air units is restricted Attack values halved for any unit type No AP penalty for crossing snowed enemy river tiles No amphibious loadings from a snowed port tile No amphibious unloading to a snowed coastal tile _______________________________________________

And as it goes, Your post makes - number... 101, LOL! Old Eastern Saying: __________________________ He who would assume The heart of a Dragon, Needs undertake the journey Of the everyday ordinary Hero, Occasionally, anyway, At least. Back & forth to Hades you'd go, By foot, or in a peasant's hay-cart Or, Should you be wary, weary Or merely leery, Carried quite merry in An old Euro King's Battle-wagon. Or, Consider this - you just might Take that inner-hipster trip Completely - in your... mind. :cool: Then! You'll finally find, I'd imagine, That... it don't actually matter, Comes right down to The jive & jin of it, Who says, or, Acts-out what. Because YOU - the one who - claims! To have that great Beast be beating heart, Keeps safe, Their OWN sorta tough begotten learning, Close, close. And so, In the end, then You can't suck-up the tiniest breath, No! Not even then, Doth yer wisdom - do depart. _____________________________________ Either that there Sitzen shinola, or: What say, let's giv good ol' American Noir A shot: Ain't no Gunsel that I can see, see, Holdin' enny Heater to yer head, Makin' you read 'At 'ere scat-O-logical stuff Instead! Of ALL that REALLY right on topical Grab-*ss and guff, Is there? Nope, SM, I never did knew Suzie Like, hmmmm... apparently, YOU knew Suzie, LOL! The only lithe lovelies I got to rap Around with, Had witchen names like: Rainbow, High Sky, Moon-Glow, And, sure, what else? Double-Dose. LOLOL! Was at last, as this: I only went back to Laurel Just the one more time. Z requested - a mite too nonchalantly, You should ast me - to giv the heave-ho To a wild bunch of Oakland Chapter Hell's Angels, oh, 'bout 8 or 11 of 'em All told. Well, I looked around And nowhere was my brother (... much, MUCH tougher than me) To be found. To have my back, since, Lo & behold! The rest of them "hippie" Cats Were cloistered in a tight circle Going - ohm, om, O - my! With 'em lassies of the night, And thus & so, I did the most prudent thing. ... gathered up my git, Kit, and 'at cool cold long-neck And... hit the road, Ne'er to return, You know?

Since we're all goin' a little cuckoo clock Here, I gotta finish my own tick-tock With this... LOL, Well, You ain't quite got the drift, That there great Galactic SHIFT In warped apperception Which occurred A VERY short while it was, Mid to late 60's or thereabouts. You know, Reading all about it in Time or Newsweek Ain't near the same thang. **[... fair warning, enny ain't cotton to 60's tales told by admitted Idiot, stop! right here, thatta way, no back-handed complaints later, eh? ] ___________________________________________ For one instance, I used to go to these mad hatter happenings Up in Laurel Canyon, Back then I wuz auditionin' For B-movie parts (... lost one real rasty role in a biker movie to ol' D Hopper, that fast-action, show stopper) And I kinda accidentally got to know Frank Zappa. Yep, Once the meet was over and done, He'd call me up on the rotary phone As we had back then, oh, Down in Venice where I lived, If you want to call it that, LOL, in a 3 room Shack that set me back, oh, 'Bout 90 smacks per month, Utils incl, what a sweet deal! And anyway, He'd juke around a bit and then Drawl it on out: "AD? Gonna get down tonight, here at the ranch, can you make the scene, Man?" I'd ponder, respond: "What's the ratio - gone be?" He'd pause, thinking 'er over and say: "60-30-10, but, AD, it's that 10 I got problems with, as you sure enuff know, dig it?" I knew. I could dig. Well, "AD" Was short hand for "Army Dude," see I had wandered into one of his blow-outs A lusty lively summer night In Levi cut-offs and unlaced jungle boots Carrying my usual long-neck Bottle a' Bud, And sure, Wouldn't you know, some Ruined through & through fruit-loop dudes Had been botherin' and Pesterin' the "hippie" chicks, You know? [... I puts hippie in quotes cuz ONLY the Dumbell Media used that term, NOBODY I knew EVER did, LOL! ] Had Zodiac rings on 3 or 4 fingers, And come-hither bo-jangle bells On they bare-foot toes? Long, ironed-straight hair w/shower of flowers Like honey-suckle & clover woven In purest innocent faith, in there? And anyway, Zappa was pretty "straight" in many ways But... 'e had this inside light gleaming, And, a'times - screaming out, Like some Magic Lantern Deep down in 'is gut, always weird aglow, [... as an aside, my old lady from High School days back in Desert City, Well now, she played in this all-girl Rip rock band, even, ironically, Went on tour with ol' Frankie Z, Up to Alaska, Where she did a tiny Mickey tab And damn near slid off the edge Of an ice-cliff, well, I had TOLD him Before they hit the road, "Look here Z machine, don't be messin' with my special girl, see?" And he'd looked me in the eye longest while, And finally flat out stated: "Ain't no come-on, in me; she floats & flits on the Boone's Farm, well, then we just gotta play it as it lays, wait and see." I stared back and then shrugged, I knew the way of it, How the "free-love apples" Fell easy off the tree] Far out, at's how it had to be. So, As our Story goes, That particular eve, I got just disgusted enough, these High hard & wasted kind of Cats Harassin' and hasslin' Them dream-away lovelies, And I'd run a couple right on out, Told 'em to get their kicks down on Sunset, With all the rest of them sold 'Ere mean-old-soul, psychotic Sorts a' hang-around 'causin Nuthin' but cap-T trouble, Freaks. Ever since that occasion, He'd ever now & then ring me and giv That - "hey AD we could use you" sort of Grok-talking, fire-lighted Lantern kinda jive. IF He had plenty those Flower Childs Gone be listenin' to Sitar, there, I'd - maybe, stir it up and go. O/W, just Wander the beach, oh, didn't matter, Balboa, Venice, Manhattan, Hermosa, All the same to me, see, I had that Long-neck to keep cool company. Long story shortened... you had To a' been there, man, No use grindin' & groanin' over what you Didn't see or didn't get, How you missed out On that big bad Moon A'risin' over right raucous Laurel Canyon sorts of places All over! Captain America, ah, well, It's how folks can be these days - revisin' The hell out of what it WAS, man. Without the slimmest dimmest clue As to who was a Head, Who a' actin' aces Cat, And who a get down, stand up Kind of... Dude, Like in the picture show, see What I mean? :cool: [ July 09, 2006, 07:49 AM: Message edited by: Desert Dave ]

Yep, As that Tumbling Tumbleweed Hay-Seed Hollywood sort-of-a Cowboy Had said to The Dude, Jeff Bridges how he put it on, once upon a time, eh? LOL! Only, he'd said - "B'ar," and not - Bear I like that surreal dream sequence, Trismegistus only knows what Was mixed in that drink, And I couldn't guess... well, Actually, I could, but that was LONG ago In another, much more interesting Dementian. :cool: But anyhow... here's the song that accompanied that there Coen Bros rendition of... almost like it really was, man: ______________________________ (Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, what condition my condition was in) I woke up this mornin' with the sundown shinin' in I found my mind in a brown paper bag within I tripped on a cloud and fell-a eight miles high I tore my mind on a jagged sky I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in (Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, what condition my condition was in) I pushed my soul in a deep dark hole and then I followed it in I watched myself crawlin' out as I was a-crawlin' in I got up so tight I couldn't unwind I saw so much I broke my mind I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in (Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, what condition my condition was in) Someone painted "April Fool" in big black letters on a "Dead End" sign I had my foot on the gas as I left the road and blew out my mind Eight miles outta Memphis and I got no spare Eight miles straight up downtown somewhere I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in I said I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in Yeah yeah oh-yeah -- Music & Lyrics by Kenny Rogers _____________________________________________ **[... exceptionally odd to me that KRog would come up with somethin' digger 60's such as that little ditty... Lou Reed, or Ry Cooder, maybe, I can see it]

Neither do I, Yogi, And here pretty soon you shall indeed... have it. Hubert is committed to making The "out of box" game as good as it can Possibly get, And so, I wouldn't worry about that. It WILL happen. :cool:

Bill and I and Blashy (... and another 1 or 2 who may one day make themselves known) do NOT add anything. We, just like you, make suggestions. Hubert makes ALL the decisions. So, Diced Ice, What would you do, quite specifically, and in detail, to make the game... how you'd prefer it? See, I keep repeating myself, but... there needs be some more elaboration on these suggestions. Now, there are a few who HATE to hear about the Editor. :confused: Which is X-tremely strange indeed, considering the FACT, that, you can make almost any kind of game that you'd like. I have MY own MOD, which is very, VERY different than ANYTHING I've seen thus far. [... needs updating, which I'll do once Patch V 1.03 is out, but... I am happy as can be, because some "historical imperatives" that I personally like, are all in there, such as one I put in long time ago... Crete going over to UK control, with consequent "Crete Effect" IF GErmany should take it... one among countless other changes I have made] If I can do this, ANYBODY can do, I'm tellin' ya. :cool: You CAN have less luck-driven tech, for instance, there are, oh, about 10 ways to finesse it. Hence, I am able to play EXACTLY the kind of game I prefer. It ain't so hard, it's possibly just "intimidating" to those who haven't even ATTEMPTED to do it, is all.

For my part, I wouldn't mind seeing a more complete list of your suggestions. And, what you have thus far mentioned could use a bit more elaboration. Some rationales as to WHY it should be different than what it currently is. So, how about #1-10 in order of importance, one of these days? This is what Hubert REQUIRES us to do as play-testers. He surely doesn't just take a one line opinion what's been tossed into the wind, and say: "Hey, that, like Betty Grable of yesterdays, has got some really shapely legs!"

That first one was indeed an absolute horror, Boardwalk Raconteur, that's fer sure. [... I hear yer writings have been going grand, accepted as outstanding... I congratulate you! :cool: ] You know, IF I were a betting man, which I'm not ordinarily (... all these Powerballs and Casinos on Reservations... merely a way to "tax" those who can least afford it, IMHO, IE, those most desperate who will wager rent monies and even, I've heard tell, their last pair of walk-the-road Moto Boots :eek: ), Well, anyway, I would - perhaps, bet on some "tweaks" to this here Russian Winter issue. Merely my opinion... which has now & then been disproved, if not attacked and smacked all up & down, over these 50 + years. LOL! 'At's alright, I'm thrilled when taken to task; how else would I ever learn nothin'? And so, like I mentioned, it WOULD be cool if some SC Cats would "mod" some different zones and weather percentages and the like, so to sufficiently ILLUSTRATE their points. You do need MANY plotted points on the graph, and not just the one or two possible outliers. Can't hardly draw in ANY kind of accurate "sine-sign line," eh?

LOL, it IS kinda funny, ain't it! Question? How many game-designers that you know of live in Arctic conditions? My best guess... most of 'em live it out in comfortable quarters and have NEVER been to Fort Lamy, HQ for the Free French there in Central Afrika, NOR to Murmansk to test the waters on a daily basis to determine WHEN the Port is inaccessible... have they? Likely, they go by historical references, and common knowledge and, not to omit, their very OWN "take" on what should be included in a game, and what not. Seems reasonable to me. THEY take the risks, they have EARNED the right to stick into THEIR game whatever they choose. Now, here you have a guy, Hubert, who is, IMHO, without doubt the BEST at listening to, and implementing Forum Members commentary and suggestions. Could be he will once again, WRT to weather, who knows, other than the Shadow? BTW, I got enough nerve to have survived this long, Skando Mondo, and I ain't much a'fearin' enny yer or any other's words, nor the surely impending mutational dis-eases comin' our way, neither.

GlPT, Then, simply wait for patch #3... which, as Hubert has mentioned already, should be out in August sometime... maybe September if need be, and anyway --> THEN! You will have quite accomplished AI schemes and other new! features and will NOT have to use one of the many MODS now out there. Good as they are, and all deserve great credit for experimenting... so to offer all sorts of interesting "suggestions," they are NOT the default game. THAT will, sooner than later (... assuming you have some small modicum of patience, as is required for just about EVERY computer game made, these last several years, eh? ) Be... THE Gold Standard. :cool: