Paco QNS

In Quick Battles. Selected Regular for both, and allowing picking forces. But the allies obtains only Elite (if you selects Regular) and an Unnamed Quality (more expensive) -if you selects Veteran-. This is something really wild!, since it is happening in two directories (I have one with the 1.11 and another with the 1.12). I have tried to re-intall it (I believe), but it is doing the same. Anybody knows the solution? (I have done a search, but X-00 in Unwanted Force Quality Randomization (Help) had a similar problem but got unanswered. Thanks beforehand.

It is a wild exageration! Being opened, and with reduced armor, makes the jet less effective (no overpression inside the AFV). But if the jet touches the ammo/fuel storage, or the crew, or anything vital, it will KO it. It is modeled now in CMBO. There are quite a few of cases of shots not damaging anything in the AFV -not only the open ones-, and not only the HEAT rounds.

I thinkEpaminondas was GAMEY in that way, too! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>The battle (Leuctra) is noteworthy for several key innovations that Epaminondas used against the Spartans. The Thebans for some time had experimented with deeper hoplite formations. They had used a 25 depth phalanx at the battle of Delium during the Peloponnesian war to defeat the Athenians, but the hallmark of hoplite warfare was each side traditionally would put its main effort against the enemy's left flank. The key was to win on the right before losing on the left. Epaminondas saw the Spartan right flank as their center of gravity and shifted his main attack to his left flank to directly oppose the Spartan hoplites. His second major innovation was to deploy his main attack force into a 50 deep phalanx. It has been suggested that this force may even have used pikes ala the Macedonian phalanx due to the unusual shape of Theban shields, but there is no direct evidence that this was the case. Lastly, the remainder of the Theban hoplite line was deployed en echelon, so as to delay the Spartan allies from engaging them before the Theban left had won the battle. Xenophon, who is the main chronicler of this battle, wrote in a treatise on cavalry tactics that horses could be used to screen infantry forces due to the height of the horse. Caesar used this tactic at the battle of Pharsalus. The deployment of the Theban cavalry suggests that this tactic may have prevented the Spartans from seeing the deep Theban phalanx before the dust of the cavalry engagement had settled. The battle itself went according to plan. The Theban cavalry drove off the Spartan cavalry and then the Theban left smashed into the Spartan hoplites. The sacred band probably served the dual purpose of protecting the large open flank of the deep Theban phalanx and probably executed a flank attack into the Spartan right flank. The results were the destruction of the Spartan hoplites, including the king, and the Spartan allies quit the field without actually coming into direct contact with the Thebans. The fall of Sparta had begun.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> cited from The Great Battles of History

About soviet tank crew training in the Spanish Civil War you can read parts of this excellent article: Soviet Tank Operations in the SCW by Steven J. Zaloga <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>the Soviet military attaché at the Madrid embassy, Kombrig Vladimir Gorev, had arranged for the creation of a training center near the town of Archene in Mursia, about 90 km. from the port. The Soviet government did not plan to provide crews for the tanks sent to Spain, but rather to train Spanish personnel to operate them. Archene became the main training and technical center for the Republican tank force for much of the war. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It is of note that: the training center at Archena, in Murcia, was a former spa hotel. ((what a change!)) and: Von Thoma and the german staff officers who were training spanish crews in the other side also complained about the number of gear-changes his pupils were breaking in the battleground. But, as a spanish officer replied: "When a german driver take a tank and drived in the same circunstances, he broke one, too. And, moreover, the new gear-changes were reinforced from the factory." Busy bussiness, that of outmanouvering the enemy better armed tanks. Regards,

Mr John Kettler, as I have said before, I own the book titled INSTRUCCION E. 80 "Instrucciones provisionales para el empleo del cañón de 65/17 como arma pesada de Infantería", Madrid, Nov. 1944 (written), Febr. 1945 (distributed). ((Provisional Instructions for the use of the 65/17 gun as an Infantry heavy weapon)). ((it was a really! old gun, given to the Infantry since it was too obsolete as an Artillery gun. But it was dirt cheap, and quite useful against all targets -included the T 26 tanks-)) It is not what you are asking, but it can give you an approximative idea (simply put more men to crew the sIG 33). If you are interested, I can traduce and post a few excerpts from it. (and a link about tactics in the Spanish Civil War, with an example detailing its use in combat). BUT, before, as a matter of fair info trade, P L E A S E post us here some information from your source -which I presume is the US Army captured materials manual for the sIG 33-. ((and all of it, if possible!)) Finally, since have been mentioned the full names of explosivs in this thread, I want to send a couple of salutes: Hola, mami! and Hullo, Echelon´s mother! Regards, [ 07-01-2001: Message edited by: Paco QNS ]

I cite my quote from the thread Fast recon, how to beat it in ungamey manner <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>On the dual role of light AA guns, I cite a few excerpts of doctrine. From the "Normas generales para empleo táctico de las armas de acompañamiento de infantería y caballería" Instrucción E. 8. approved 24, June, 1940 (distributed 30, October, 1940) Spanish Army (very german influenced since the Spanish Civil War) (General guidelines for the tactical employ of supporting weapons, Infantry and Cavalry): ""Anti-air machineguns 20 m/m 74. The general missions of these weapons in combat are two: Main mission, defense against airplanes and secondary mission, antitank. 75. Their main missions are: Defense of marching or stationary units. Idem of materials. Idem of depots. Idem of AA batteries. Idem of field artillery units. And in general, of everything that, needing AA defense, don´t have any guns for it. 76. The little charge of shells and the fuzes used (ultra-quick or anti -armour) makes them poor suited for use against land targets. Only exceptionally they can be used against nests or observatory points, exclusively using their excellent precision to hit their slits. Mission Anti Air ... Mission Anti Tank 79. Their effective range with armour piercing ammo is 500 metres, corresponding with the lighting trazes. To this range it can pierce a 20 m/m armour and, their precision for a 50% hits percentage is 0,5 metres vertical and 0,25 horizontal. The traze permits to correct fire easy and quickly. 80. Their main targets are light and semi-heavy tanks, whose high mobility requires to use automatic fire weapons with traze ammo. 81. Their main purpose are: Attack the aforementioned tanks, when protecting the enemy infantry advance. It must be remembered that this antitank mission is secundary, it can´t overrule their main purpose, and, then, generally, the weapons will be sited in the better anti air emplacement, and in case from it they can acomplish the anti tank role, as a secundary mission this latter, and, of course, always in short and medium ranges. Employment ... Defensive 86. In general, they will be employed in the resistance position, so sited to defend first the main line of resistance, the support line and the stopping line, and, in case is possible, the Regiment reserves line. Their emplacements will form a rectangle in the majority of occasions. 87. In special cases, when the advance position is ordered to resist, a gun will be assigned to it, siting the other three in the resistance position, forming an equal triangle to protect effectively the main, resistance and stopping lines."" So, to this light, I don´t see as "gamey" the reasonable use of light AA guns (that is, not more of six for a reinforced infantry battalion, and siting them in dual role emplacements). In fact, the main protection of the supply lines will be by daylight camo and moving only by night. A few AA guns will only "draw fire" to them. Nonetheless, the idea of buying them and siting them off map to protect artillery and reinforcements has merit, IMO.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The proyectile weight was 0,119 Kg (for Oerlikon, Polsten and Flak 30/38); 0,125 Kg for the Scotti and 0,135 Kg for Breda and Type 98. The explosive was very small, and you must remember, due to the high Vo, it needed to be mixed -not to explode in the gun-. ((that is in the HE anti air proyectile model; the armour piercing were probably solid shots)). With untrained crews I think is possible the facts given. After all, a tank is no more than a "mobile box used to retain valor". Regards. ((I liked very much your scenarios, Franko. -especially ABH. Also your rules Franko´s True Combat))

Oh, well. Your data concurs with the sIG 33 of 15 cm: (Calibre 149,1 mm; barrel 1,65 m; weight in action 1750 Kg; muzzle Vo 240 m per second (787 ft); max range 4700 m (5140 yards); and proyectile weight 38 Kg (83,8 lb) But the weight of min charge puzzles me. My data for the 65/17 mm italian gives a charge of 65 grams of "balistite in flukes of 0,5*5*5 mm" ((that is, a mix of 43% nitroglyc. and 51,5% nitrocell. plus stabillisants -I think is your reference, since pure nitroglyc. is too unstable-)), for a proyectile weight of 4,15 Kg, and a max range of 2500 mts. So, consider an almost ten times heavier proyectile with a charge only double. ??? For the exact data, we need the Vo given by that charge. BTW, tactical doctrine for the 65/17 in spanish army, febr. 1945, INSTRUCCION E.80: page 77 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>1.4 Because of its characteristics, the 65/17 gun must be used: a) Usually: with indirec fire, using defilade positions; Eventually: with direct fire, using crests, camouflaged or covered from view. This kind of fire is the usual against tanks; c) Over own troops, keeping the safeties indicated by the fire tables; or between them, using also the safety margins indicated in them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Here, you can see the density of the charge: COMPOSITION OF SOLID ROCKET PROPELLANTS [ 07-01-2001: Message edited by: Paco QNS ]

I give it 20-30 yards as maximum. Check your data, you said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>a shell only weight of 84 pounds,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Later I´ll catch my data for the italian gun of 65/17. ((The proyectile weight of the IG 18 7.5 cm was of 5,45 Kg or 6 (12 or 13,2 lb), and 3 kg for hollow charge -6,6 lb-)) [ 06-23-2001: Message edited by: Paco QNS ]

IKE Well, general and POTUS (like U.S. Grant)

Remembering ... In pictures: Nazi invasion remembered Redmow said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>But I also salute the Spanish Blue Division....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ((Thanks)) and I add the spanish exiliate republican fighters who also, again, retake weapons to defend his ideals... BUT, I want here to remember especially the polish people who lived in the east of Poland and were, again, subjected to war...

Pill-box : "Small, round, concrete emplacement for a machine-gun, anti-tank gun, etc." ((derives from "Pillar-box", postal box, I think)). Bunker : "Steel and concrete fortification, usually underground" Those are the Webster´s Comprehensive Dictionary definitions. So, all Pill-boxes are bunkers, but not all bunkers (comm, living-grounds, hospitals, ...) are pill-boxes. ((Though I have called always bunkers to all of them)) I suppose so, the Pill-box would be one bunker similar in appearence to a british postal box. See for more info on all kind of fortifications: Fortress Study Group And a spanish web page on bunkers (in spanish): [ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: Paco QNS ] Bunkers frente a Gibraltar [ 06-22-2001: Message edited by: Paco QNS ]

The correct link is: http://tournamenthouse.com/tourney/CM/32b/

Hurra! Now I´ve get the "An e-mail has been sent ..." Come on, boys (and girls)! Enlist quickly. Again, "Muchas gracias".

Beg pardon... a question: I´ve posted my request. But all I get is a white screen -with "Ready" below- and no more... So, Am I in? Or you don´t know until you get the confirm e-mail? Thank you -for all-!

Firstable, sincere regrets for your bad luck (or choosing? ) You know, there are a few excellent mods to identify correctly your vehicles from above, "paineling" them with flags and/or distintc colour sheets. Unfortunately, the CMBO virtual fighter-bombers can´t see those mods (that is their loss!). I think in the future CM II (rewrited engine) exists a need to model correct Forward Air Controllers units (for very late 1944 and 45), using smoke to signal targets. ((and, of course, the very good Luftwaffe systems during 1939-43 -until they were banned from the skies-)). BUT, in the very edge of the later-named F.E.B.A., errors in both sides during almost all campaigns were very common. Take a view to this link -for an example-: Innovation Close Air Support in World War II: The Roots of the Tragedy in Operation Cobra by Dr. Michael D. Pearlman Regards. ((O.T.; Eh, Reverendo, ¿no has recibido mi correo?; lo mandé a tu nueva dirección .))

* Split your squads on the Set Up.(that doubles your foxholes-positions). * Disperse those foxholes (be cautious, since I have observed a full squad doesn´t occupy a four men-foxhole -or is reluctant to do so directly-). Put part of the positions in woods, and the rest outside, in rear defiladed places non-observable from your front-wooded-foxholes (You musn´t give anything to the enemy!). * From the front positions watch your enemy advance. When he bombards you, disperse. And when you detects he´s going to close -and correct his barrage-, concentrate your squads to give him a blooded nose. * Depending on the outcome, resist or squad-alternately give up terrain and go to your second line. Regards.

I concur with most of your ideas, Andrew (though I suppose you forget the after the seven, of "dobermines" sniff use) and must add to this: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>(2) It's possible that not all concealed German vehicles using smokeless powder should get a benefit from it<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> the use of muzzle-brakes, which also rised a lot of dust (one of the reasons not to use them in all vehicles IIRC). On the matter of Camouflage-Enmascaramiento"- "Maskirovka", it surprised me the most that in the spanish "Alfereces Provisionales" Infantry tactics (March 1938) manual ((for our "thirty-days-wonders")) was a full appendix ((the seventh)) with about thirty pages -out of a full total of two hundred- and fully illustrated with Right/Wrong vignettes.((in contrast with the rest, full texted)). Regards.

Since it may be of interest, I recomend you the following web http://collections.ic.gc.ca/regiment/intro.htm (especially the WWII section). I located it quite a time ago (while searching about Infantry smoke grenades use), but until now I have not reviewed it completely. It is very interesting, including anecdotes, a few maps and aerial pictures. (See especially: D Day assault on St Aubin-sur-Mer http://collections.ic.gc.ca/regiment/chp7a.htm Quesnay Wood http://collections.ic.gc.ca/regiment/chp13a.htm Calais http://collections.ic.gc.ca/regiment/chp16a.htm and other places http://collections.ic.gc.ca/regiment/chp21b.htm http://collections.ic.gc.ca/regiment/chp22a.htm ) It has a few glitches (like the B 29 attack friendly-fire episode -wow!, long range from Chengthu-China- ) but it is a good source of future scenarios. Regards [ 06-17-2001: Message edited by: Paco QNS ]

Among the Sarge´s Corollaries to the Murphy´s Law of Combat Operations (read them in "Command" magazine quite time ago): * If a soldier tells he has done something on his own, go and check it. * If your 2 Lt tells he has done something on his own, go and fix it. patvoibin writed: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>You know I figure by the time we're old we know a lot, but then we die. So what's the use? Makes me wonder sometimes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well: a)you write books (and/or) b)you teach your children and pupils; It is said doing both during a mere three millenia bring your genes from a cave to the Moon.

Hey, it is the aquatic cousin of "Maus", isn´t?; a terrible question rounds my head. "Maus" is the urban cousin; is this the countryside one?; or THERE IS ANOTHER ONE OF THEM?!!! Time to call Superman. And tell him to bring the perfect-giant-mousetrap! ((To Revere. : check your mail adress; it´s giving me problems))

Skipper writed: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>That's gamey. IMHO, when an unbuttoned TC sees a soft target at an appropriate range, he would normally shoot without much thinking about ammo conservation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I totally concur. Moreover, in this period. With the "HEATed-rocket-fever", it will be INSANE to ignore any infantry. To Reverendo: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>If so, drop me an e-mail.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Check your e-mail address, it´s giving me an error mailing you. Or see my profile, ICQ included.

Put that book in quarantine, Stixx, if it´s commiting the grave sin of mixing Admiral´s names. IIRC Voltaire said "It´s good from time to time to shoot an admiral, to encourage the others". If you pick the wrong one. Well, that´s quite infair, isn´t? ((He was speaking of another admiral. Non related)) See these webpages: Torpedo Defense COAST DEFENSE OF THE POTOMAC and Civil War Naval History December 1862

Stixx writed: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!" Admiral Porter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Disagree. Rear Admiral David G. Farragut. ""In reply to the warning, "Torpedoes ahead!" given by the ships ahead, Farragut called out, "Damn the torpedoes!" and taking the lead with his flagship the Hartford, sailed over the double row of mines and into Mobile Bay in Alabama. The bottom of the ship even scraped the mines. But none exploded. The rest of the fleet followed Farragut's flagship into the bay, and to victory against the Confederate fleet."" ((In other versions I have read: "Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead")) See: The Union Navy Captured Fort Morgan, Alabama

The real extreme: un-manned firing HMGs. At least once time in the Spanish Civil War, nationalist infantry advanced -avoiding the continous lane of fire- against what they supposed were blind machine-gunners. The republican army unit had left their russian "Maxim" HMGs -with lots of ammo linked and fixed triggers- before their "retrograde" movement. A bit of a "Zinderneuf-esque" tactic with harassing fire ((like putting false soldiers to defend a fortress)), but retardating, notwithstand. Don´t know if it was a russian practice. Have anyone heard it before? ((In that case, must it be in CMBB? ))

1) Always keep a reserve force. ((that is, 25-33% of your troops, preferably very mobile, in your rearguard)); 2) If you don´t feel the need for your reserve, try to engross it; 3) When you really feel that need, think twice before commiting it. You can later REALLY NEED it. Go here Combat HQ Articles Especially the last article by Carlos "Los" Lourenco "Principals of war".