Paco QNS

Ehn ? Send it this morning before work. Just resent, please check.

Malakovski Member Member # 9905 posted March 11, 2005 10:32 PM ----------------------------------- -------------------- Malakovski ----------------------------------------------- Sent you my turn in the 8th. Resent it on the 12/03/2005. Have yot received it?

Flammen, I´ve had RL issues here. Will return you a turn soon, please be patient.

. . All files for G R O U P 8 are sent. Good luck to all -including me-. Thanks a lot to organizers, sponsors, scenario creators and all involved.

All Group 8 members accounted for during this weekend. As a note, I´ve just checked the reception of files, they were in the non-desired mailbox. Setting up.

No problem.

For what is worth: Benghazi from the air, 1964 (J Cooper)

. . Feliz Navidad para todos Merry Christmas to everybody in the CM family ! both in BF and all loyal followers

I would say it must be similar to a Etat-Major de Brigade Légère Mécanique (Light Mechanised Brigade Staff) probably bigger, with more batmen and signals. Add a couple infantry platoons for escort, AA guns, several armored cars,...

Here are a few links on the final battle of that wars, at Cuito Cuanavale, with wildly conflicting versions: Minefield map of Cuito Cuanavale Brief cuban version of that battle An absolutely opposed version of the same battle 7th South African Infantry Battalion and Cuito Cuanavale (1987-1989) Castro explains why Angola lost against SADF The military defeat of the South Africans in Angola Monthly Review, April, 1989 by Horace Campbell -- -- -- I assume you have this one The Battle for Ebo, by Cobus Venter ((and what a bombastic music it has!))

Don´t browse-and-select. Check before you hit install in that moment: it creates a C:/program archives//battlefront/CMAK/new folder in that line so, you delete that new folder and simply let C:/program archives/battlefront/CMAK/ and then install. I explained myself badly up-before, but that is what I mean. Try this and inform.

Same happened to me. Run the Install again and check carefully location: it opens a "new folder" on your CMAK directory, delete that "new folder", run the install and it would work well.

Iam Ishora. Outskirts of Leningrad, between Kolpino and Krasny Bor. The Spanish Volunteers Division (also known as 250 Division and "Blue Division") arrived to this front on September 1942. The russian have been advancing with sappers works, until on 27th December they occupy Iam Ishora. They take two bunkers, one on each side of the road, and parallel to the old tank ditch, a chain of several others. (( and, only a few days later ... )) Source: "Soldado en tres guerras" Alfredo Bellod Gómez, Editorial San Martín, Madrid 2004 Comandante (( Major)) Bellod was the CO of the 250 Assault Sappers Battalion, divisional unit. - - - According to the book "Nieve roja", the death of Lt Muro was caused when returning to own lines, observing a new type of russian mine, he tried to recover it for study, but the mine was trapped and it blasted inflicting him grave wounds. He later died in the hospital, and was buried in Mestelewo. Also, in other parts of the book, the op beginned at twenty five minutes past one, with a fire barrage with 36 guns. The sappers advanced on the minefields, and a quarter of hour later they entered the enemy parament and fight in close combat. Forty minutes after the beginning of the op, it was a success and the sappers returned. "Nieve roja", Fernando y Miguel Angel Garrido Polonio, Editorial Oberon, 2002. ((As teenagers Fernando and Miguel Angel promised to their granny to rescue the remains of her brother, killed in Russia. The book tells how years later they fulfill their promise.))

"Ejército" nº 92 Sep 47 (( Spanish Army official Review )) "La compañía de cañones de infantería" (( The infantry-gun Company )) Col Manuel Sagrado Marchena CO of Mountain Agrupment (( He was the CO of the 262 Regiment, and Commander of Krasny Bor subsector on February, 10th 1943)) ((outskirts of Leningrad)). ------------------------------------------- Revista "Ejército" nº 92 Sep 47 "La compañía de cañones de infantería" Cnel Manuel Sagrado Marchena Jefe de Agrupación de Montaña ((era Cnel Jefe del Regto 262 y Jefe del subsector de Krasny Bor el 10-02-1943)).

I concur, those formulae always made my head fuzzy. Must be said, though, that the fuze type is a superfluous one. By default, to kill shields always were used delay ones -if available-. And the shell brinell was, well, the better you could built for that kind of shot. That is a pre- WWI formula, and it was infered from experiences with real fire. Since the article gave no data on that experiences, I searched, and found this brief article, unrelated . Yes. I prefer the empiric method, if possible: - - - Magazine "Ejército" Year XV nº 176 Sep 1954 ((My Description of the figure: Trench of 2 meters approx. of wide, with cover of 2.24 ms wide, formed by - down to above -, layer of tree trunks, earth cover tamped of thickness 5´ with lateral and sides of sand-bags, layer of explosion, also covered of sand-bags. It forms a sloped triangle, with angle of 21º with land line, 5.14 meters of length measure the cover, covering 4.80 trench meters, that it opens by his end with an exit slit. )) (( BTW, yes, the figure mixs measures, or it seems. )) ----------------------------------------------- Revista "Ejército" Año XV nº 176 Sep 1954 (( Datos figura: Trinchera de 2 metros aprox. de ancho, con cubierta de 2,24 metros formada por -de abajo arriba-, capa de rollizos, cubierta de tierra apisonada de espesor 5´ con laterales y lados de sacos terreros, capa de explosión, a su vez cubierta de sacos terreros. Forma un triángulo, con ángulo de 21º con el terreno. Mide la cubierta 5,14 m de largo, cubriendo 4,80 m de trinchera, que se abre por su extremo con una salida. )) (( Ah!, por cierto, Sí, el dibujo mezcla medidas )). (( Edited for vs spelling , to correct "tested on", must said "infered from" AND, to give a caution note, for there is a catch ... )) [ November 06, 2004, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: Paco QNS ]

Sergei, the usual airfield of that time was really a big open field, with the better drainage available. I bought -dirt cheap- an "Atlas de aérodromos de España" (( Spain´s airfields atlas )), republished in 1996, first issued in 1934 (( compiling different data from bulletins issued from 1929 on. )) I will give data for a couple of them: Cuatro Vientos, in Madrid. A military airfield ((one of the first in Spain)) ((you can´t say it was typical, since it was besides the capital city and the oldest airfield in Spain)) Maximum dimensons: 1.200 * 700 meters (in the scheme is marked as "Campo de vuelo"= airfield. Conditions of floor: Sandy, in the NE covered with grass. Instalations: Two big sidelined hangars, and a big one, for the repairs. Besides them, three big buildings and nine medium ones. A dozen more little ones. Caceres: Military airfield. Max. dim.: 400 * 400 meters Floor: "Plain, arcillous and hard, though a bit slippy. There is no danger in overpassing it, since there are no drainage canals separating it from the next camps." Instals.: "Hangars: an iron one, able for five planes, sited in the NW angle" Albacete Max.dim.: 1.010 * 950 meters Floor: plain and permeable. Hangars: Four hangars of 22*22 meters, and a garage -all side by side-, an officers pavillion, sanitary services and rest area. Repairs building, storage, houses for guards and mechanic personnel, "cantina"=military Pub, water storage, electric house and a tennis floor. -- -- -- As a side note, it must be remembered that quite a bunch of planes then had no tail wheel, but a sort of steel stick ( both the I-15 and I-16 -at least the .5 and .10 models - fighters came to mind ). That was to help them to stop, if possible, without the plane in a "drinking water" posture (in that days jargon).

FWIW According to the Parodi Formulae: x= C * K * A x= penetration, in meters C= W / 1000 * ( a * a ) W= Weight of shot, in kilograms a= caliber of shot, in meters K= 0.43 for very hard rock; 0.88 for concrete; 1.63 for bricks; 3.44 for compact earth; and 5.84 for removed earth A= a logarithmic function of speed in meters oer second = 0.18 for 100 m/s; 0.3 for 140 m/s; 0.46 for 195 m/s; 0.59 for 240 m/s; 0.69 for 280 m/s; 0.76 for 310 m/s; 0.95 for 400 m/s; and 1.13 for 500 m/s - - - There is another formulae, by Nobile di Giorgi, but it is more complicated, and only give results for concrete and removed earth. - - - For the explosion effect: Bombs, kilograms: 50; 100; 300; 1.000; 1.800 Explos.charge, in Kg: 26 ; 55 ; 165 ; 550 ; 1.000 Penetration of Concrete, in meters: 0.6; 0.75; 1.1; 1.65; 2 Armoured concr., mts : 0.45; 0.55; 0.8; 1.25; 1.5 - - - For airplane bombs, dropped from a height of 4.000 meters in a medium consistency earth terrain: Weight of bomb, in kgs: 45 136 272 500 907 1.814 Depth of crater, in mts: 2.1 2.7 3.4 4.3 5 5.6 Diameter crater, mts: 7.6 8.8 10.6 12.4 14.6 17.8 --------------------------------- Source: Review "Ejercito" nº22 "El hormigón en las fortificaciones", Tte Cnel José Pérez Reyna, November 1941

Here are some examples of sangars, both old and modern: From the origins, in India: Royal Scots Fusiliers, an outpost in Sangar, Tirah 1897 In Falklands/Malvinas: Mount Longdon Sangar One of many sangars still on Mount Longdon. Most showed signs of habitation and were strewn with rubbish View from sangar Mount Longdon This is looking down a gully on Mount Longdon. The sangar had the debris (links and cases) from a machine gun that had been fired from the sangar. After The Battle A photographic collection of the Falkland Battle fields and Memorials And back to Afganistan: Sappers from 59 Cdo Sqn RoyalEngineers search a Taliban bunker. Preparations are made to demolish the position. Photo Gallery Op Veritas and Iraq: Pack Mules, Pickets, and Sangars: Mountain Warfare Methods of the Iraqi Army BTW, usually the stone fortifications are abhorred by standing doctrine. The reason is because arty shells and rifle shots will cause the stones to splinter, making a sort of shrapnel from them. Of course, when you can´t dig, better the stones than nothing.

FWIW: National Doctrine WWII Artillery notes

From various pages on Evolution of Infantry Assault Tactics 1850-1918 by Frank W Sweet

Just two words: Northover projector Neither this nor the russian one were "home made", though. I think it was a black powder charge, probably ignited by a little spring. Essex Home Guard The Defence of Workington during WWII Battlefront.com Discussion Area: MAJOR OMISSION - Allied Hand Held

GaJ wrote: One way is putting your firing position near the breaking-LOS ridge. In that way, a short "Assault" or "Advance" order will put them on a safe reverse slope (or wood, or any other LOS breaker, such as buildings). Another, is smoke (not enough in CM for that, though).

Isn´t ironic that -at the same time- the tendency in modern war movies is exactly the opposite to "Photographic Quality Graphics" ? In both "Saving Private Ryan" and in "Band of Brothers" the image in battle scenes is granulous, the camera shaky and -to allow inmersiveness and realism-, trying to give us something as Stendhal´s "Fabrizio del Dongo" feelings in Waterloo in 'The Charterhouse of Parma' : No war is clean, and no war image can be seen as clear as a "Photographic First-Person-Shooter" -a few years ago there were both a Saloon and a Police one, based obviously in this: Shoot To Drill - 1998-02-02 - Puget Sound Business Journal -------------------------------------------- For me, give me advances in AI and put the graphics in a secondary improvement area. Regards,

Here are a couple of Leavenworth papers: Combat Multipliers: African-American Soldiers in Four Wars, by Lt Col Krewasky A. Salter I (PDF) Buffalo Soldiers at Fort Leavenworth in the 1930s and Early 1940s, by Major George Knapp Regards,

A) AFAIK, there was no such thing as a "Layered Defense" -as a military concept- till it was applied to the Missile Defense recently. (In case of doubt, check with Google -it is applied mainly to the SDI, and to antivirus software-); the correct term is: "Elastic Defense in Depth", and the favourite link (most cited in this forum) is Standing Fast: German defensive doctrine on the Russian front during World War II by Major Timothy A. Wray In essence, it combines: 1) an outpost line -very lightly manned- with direct views to the enemy ((In CM terms, light MGs, sharpshooters and anti-tank-teams)); 2) a Main-Line-of-Resistence, sited on reverse slope, formed of strongpoints with mutual support (and including a strong reserve), and 3) an artillery line, or final resistance line (with indirect fire batteries), again on reverse slope. the emphasis is put on flexibility decentralized command iniciative and inmediate response and counter-attack. - - - C) Here is an example of elastic defense in depth: CSI REPORT No. 13 - TACTICAL RESPONSES TO CONCERNED ARTILLERY GERMAN COUNTERARTILLERY MEASURES ON THE EASTERN FRONT IN 1944-45: OPERATION BAGRATION by Dr. Samuel J. Lewis - - - D) Here is an interesting paper on both defensive and offensive tactics:Dynamics of doctrine: the change in German tactical doctrine during the First World War by Timothy T. Lupfer - - - E) Fom the previous (d) point I found From a 1916 issue of Illustration : a series of battlefield sketches by André Laffargue showing an attack on enemy trenches - - - F) Another interesting paper, though more on offensive tactics: Evolution of Infantry Assault Tactics 1850-1918 by Frank W. Sweet - - - G) And finally, take a look to this PDF done in Powerpoint-style German Army Tactical German Army Tactical Adaptation during World War 1 ------------------------------------------------ I admit it is difficult to apply all the principles of the "Elastic Defense in Depth" in the CM games: a) usually, you can´t choose the terrain were you want to defend from -something essential-, not enough troops per Kilometer of front to create a real MLR -AND- enough reserves ((though it is usual to put the armoured assets in reserve for mobile counterattacks)) c) costs for fortifications preclude a real complete MLR. Regards,