Stalin's Organ

It's on its way thanks.

Can you e-mail me the scenario please - or the name of it if it's on the CD?

IIRC Nordenfeldt made a multi-barrelled 1 pdr of some sort in the mid-late 1800's for naval use. Their lever action machinegun was developed in the 1870's, and the 1 pdr was developed from it for anti-torpedo boat use, but I can't find much in the way of good references to it on the net.

Anyone care to playtest this for me? Herewith follows the joint briefing: During October 1941 the German advance on Moscow continued. Marshal Yeremenko flung depleted tank brigades against Guderian's advancing Panzergruppe 2. Reinforcements were rushed up including Lelyshenko's 1 Guard Rifle Corps including the 4th and 11th Tank Brigades, 2 of 22 such formations formed by Lelyshenko in his previous position as Deputy Commander of the Main Armoured Forces Administration. Mostly the counter attacks were conducted by isolated units and handily defeated. But not always. The 4th Brigade, commanded by Colonel M Katukov, had a high proportion of T34's among it's 64 tanks, as well as 7 KVs. It had been formed at Prubdoi near Stalingrad, from the instructors and cadets from the Kharkov tank training school, as well as recently recovered tank crews wounded in earlier battles. This battle a representative action in which a the 4th Armoured Brigade strikes at the flank of the 4th Panzer Division between the 14th and 16th of October. Historical outcome: Russian tanks swept down onto the exposed flanks of the German advance spread out 25km east of Mtsensk. The Germans found it difficult to respond – where the Russian tanks could move at speed the German ones were largely restricted to roads or risk foundering in the mud. In some places even the roads were difficult for the Germans due to the heavy fighting that had occurred in the recent past. Using their superior mobility the Russians were able to stand back out of effective gun range of the Germans and destroy them with relative impunity. The Russians claimed 150 tanks destroyed, and Guderian wrote, "Up to now we had enjoyed tank superiority, but from now on the situation reversed. The prospect of rapid decisive victories was fading in consequence." Many of the tanks could be repaired – but the blow to German morale was tangible. In November Katukov was promoted to Major General and the Brigade was renamed the 1st Guards Tank Brigade in honour of its success. Source: The description comes from "Russian Armour 1941-43", by Eric Grove. The map is essentially random. The scenario is designed to be a walk in the park for the Soviet player - if you can't get a major victory consider giving up playing wargames!! Conversely the challenge for a German player is extreme.

Ahhh....thanks - I did know that but had completely forgotten! And thanks again - I didn't know that

Yep - 20pdr Centurions saw action in Korea and Vietnam I think - the later with the Australians. IIRC the 105 fitted to the Tortoise super heavy assault gun was designated as "32 pdr". Dunno if that's what was developed into the L7 tank gun (the "famous" 105) tho'

What's a cannister round going to do to a bunch of guys hiding at the bottom of a foxhole? Precisely nothing!! The small bullets have little penetrative power, so why waster them? So yes, it is because they are not exposed enough.

IIRC there's no particular way of unbogging - give the vehicle a movement order and wait. I've had bogged tanks take 10-15 moves to get mobile again.

Not at all - many logins were "lost" during the crashes but can now be recovered using the "lost your password?" function. Also some ppl have different logins from different locations such as work and home, not necessarily being computer literate enough to realise you can function with only one. As you say about his assessment of your opponent - you shouldn't be judging him without knowing anything about the background either!!

The 20 pdr was 84.5mm, the 105mm = 4.1 inches, the Russian 76's date from the imperial times when their artillery was 3 inch calibre and ther factories were all geared up to make that size tube. The Russian 152mm is similarly linked to Imperial/Tsarist 6" artillery. Similarly the Russian 122's are 4.7" and linked to naval gun manufacture of that calibre. The 82mm russian mortar could use German 81mm rounds, with some loss of accuracy and range, but I have no idea if that was a design feature or a happy coincidence. The 76 and 152mm guns had no such capability unless reworked because cartridge size is also a factor in guns and if a cartridge doesnt fit then you just can't fire it, or, worse, if it's too small to seal properly then I suspect you've got a bit of a problem with crew survival!! Oh yeah - and the Germans had an 88mm AA gun in WW1 IIRC - I think it was developed from a naval calibre. [ January 03, 2003, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: Stalin's Organ ]

Probably one of the "artillery" tanks with a 76mm howitzer - there were BT-7 and BT-5 versions, maybe a T26 one too. They don't have the heavy armour of the T28E of course. But if you want the heavy armour then yeah - prolly an early KV with no AP, or even an early T34 with no AP.

APDS never fell out of favour with anyone! The Brit 105mm tank gun was the western "standard" for 20 years and all nationalities using it used APDS rounds. APDS was not used by some large calibre guns mounted on light chassis - such as the French 105's and 90's mounted on armoured cars and light tanks because the chassis could not stand the recoil generated by the size of charge nedded to get an AP round up to speed. The British tend to favour HESH where other nations use HEAT for their dual-purpose (AP/AT) round but the fact that they do probably shows that the 2 types are of relatively similar performance.

Err...who're you? Nobby?? yeah - I remember... I just beat you with the wet end of your own arm that I ripped from your body with my bare teeth. What'd you say you're good at again?

Oh go sit on a tort!

Well now that's just not true - you're a passable victim when the aussies are all crying in their dust.

Look'ere Noddy - the reason all those tanks are hull down is 'cos that's where they were bloody well immobilised by that bleedin' Sturmovik! I'm fighjting a static defence here so don't you give me none of that gamey criticism stuff - my troops are in entirely random positions depending on where in their move they got hit!! And still you can't win! You bin' taking lessons on competitiveness from the Pommie Cricket team or summit? [ December 28, 2002, 06:20 AM: Message edited by: Stalin's Organ ]

So give the rest of us a late present and sod off! Go get some more range practice then! However stupid they may be it's nowhere near as stupid as you ya silly olde git. They could accuse the rest of us of being as stupid as you - that'd get a few hairs rising on necks everywhere except your place.

They did - it's not the programme that's the problem here - it's your liveware. And whadaya expect if you put your tankshull down doppey?? All hits are going to be on the turret........hull down means the hull can't be hit. I hope this isn't excessively groggy for teh rest of you - but if it is then tough doodies.

Actually I reckon that 2.9% of the vote for CMBB is pretty impressive for a "niche" market. Going back to a question that was asked here about putting the CM series onto game boxes I'd say that if it continues at that level then the commercial success of the series is assured for quite a long time on a variety of platforms.

I'd rather floogle my ziggywhips than continue this shamglebox!

I believe the Russians had a big ol' 37mm inf gun. Horse-drawn, I think. Other than that, well, there's the SU-152. </font>

Liet you're completely missing the point of this game. There is provision for use of captured equipment already, but the recovery of working or repair of damaged enemy equipment and the issue of it to your own units is not something that is ever going to be in it (IMO). . This is already simulated in operations - you can recover your own damaged, abandoned and immobilised vehicles between battles in an operation but it depends upon the scenario designer setting the options for the operation. there are options for the level of technical support and for supply which affect how readily you receive repaired vehicles. Outside the scope of the battle. This kind of thing happens after the battle is finished. Same again - partizans in CMBB are fighting battles - not setting weapon stashes!

Probably because the Germans made considerable use of the 88 as a mobile AT gun in the front line - not soemthing that was commonly done by the Russian AA guns.

I imagine winning with the Russians would be a fairly trivial exercise given hte difficulty everyone has winning as the Germans - and of course the AI isn't the world's greatest attacker!!