Holien

Hi TB, it is only a whim a what if for future reference so please don't disrupt your honey jobs. Just got the next turn from Redecker and things just get worse. H

Yeah Yeah rub it in you Yank. Just wait until it happens to you!!! :mad: It was a silly design for a tank, fancy not putting roofs on them. I ask you just because it is good weather on the West Coast does not mean it does not rain shrapnel in Europe. And before anyone harps on about eggs in a basket, they have hatched and flown the coup and the barn door is wide open. :eek: I hope the beer delivery boys break some bottles as they jump up and down with glee. Just send me the file and put me out of my misery you are wiping the board with me and I am starting to question if you and Wreck have not been swaping tips. Us poor Commenwealth chaps are getting chopped down as did our one best hope for the world cup last night. Off to bed to sulk and try and get comfort from her in doors, now where did I put those handcuffs..... Beat me! Beat me! might as well be physical as well as mental!!! H [ April 11, 2002, 06:15 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

Redecker thxs for that turn, please take it back forwith and stop being such a jammy git. I can safely say that the only red wine I will be drinking is the cheap Australian reds we get over here. God do I hate bloody Artillery and Soft top American tanks. :eek: H P.s. As for the Beer Delivery boy he had Four Tanks and a Zooka against him. He still gets away and bags two tanks and the third is bagged by a Zhreck. This liitle duel has been going on for three minutes and I get the ****ty end of the stick. Ohhh what luck I think JK has put a curse on me. I am going to lie down and try and calm down where is my Teddy Bear. [ April 11, 2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

For me Wreck managed to get both VL's and take out the bunker. I managed to launch a counter attack to take back the Heavy building but Wreck still had two single men (1 shaken Vet Rifleman and 1 Zooka chap) within 100 meters of the building. 1 more turn and they would have been dead and the VL mine. He had a unit without ammo in the other VL and I should have charged it with a unit that had ammo. ahhh well I guess I shall have to buy my wine... H P.s If anyone can work out what the score would have been with two flags contested that would be good? It would settle my ind that it would have made no difference I can move on. [ April 11, 2002, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

As I feared. Ahh well. I should have rushed the flag and made it contested. It was a poor decision and possibly cost me the point there. The game with Wreck saw the flag in the Heavy building contested by Wreck and the light building un contested and in Wrecks control. I made a conscious choice not to rush the flag as I felt it would not have been the thing I would have done IRL, and as the tourney was based upon the premise of trying not to "gamey" flag rushes I did not do one. I have an image and will spend the next few minutes trying to add it to this post. May I say that this is in no way a complaint about how Wreck played the game and is a comment about something I could have done and perhaps should have done. More comments in a min or two... I see to post an Image here I need to place it on the Web, not sure where I can place it and can not I guess just cut and Paste Bitmap in this thread. H [ April 11, 2002, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

Redecker just do my turn and forget about the points I will only be disappointed when TB tells us. As for Sounds in dem der hills my lads are pushing up elder flowers at the moment. Some silly moves and some unexpected SMG's in the forest. Ahh well live (actually die) and learn. So send me a turn and keep it moving.... H

Hope away Hope away..... Turn back to you darling, and if I get my paws on that *oding Arty spotter of yours he will have a lot of explaining to do. BTW a few less vehicles on both sides this turn, so should help reduce that 1.5 Meg file soon. I feel I shall be without points but wait in anticipation..... (as a certain Rocky Horror Character would say). On the game with Warren I am waiting this turn to see what heat is applied. I hope the pilot light blows out and the bake beans my troops have had work to my benefit not against me. H [ April 10, 2002, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

Thxs Moon H BTW You have to love the power of this BB and the net. We have had a discussion over a course of several hours with people from all over the world adding to the debate and giving positive feed back to the people that are slaving away to satisfy us with the next game. If I could only get that from the people I try and deliver systems to.

The answers given deal with most of your points. The last point is a cultural issue and depends on your nationality. Being British we have no problems retaining the normal relationship with the wife as these are cold. Our problem is retaining normal relationship with Girlfriends which is normally hot. The mid way stage is when your partner is your fiancee and a bit cold and a bit hot depending on how long it is in the engagement period. Good luck and may your French love not suffer. Well anymore than eating Garlic makes it suffer. Bonjour H Wink added to denote a jokey nature to all above...

Hi Brian, Fair points and I will check the manual and see if can add some more to your list. I work in IT and it is always difficult trying to get people to give solid examples of problems rather than gut feelings. Le Tondu has given some good points as well and if these can be incorporated in the manual then it will add to it considerably. I hope BTS can see this from amongst the other points because by gicing solid examples and pointers then things can be improved, if they have not already been. H

So what would people include or change if they want a bigger manual. It is all well and good saying I want with no reference to exactly what is required. So what would you include? Give BTS some pointers. For me the manual was enough to get me into the game and was therefore fit for purpose. Sure there were things I wanted to know more detail on such as exact calcs for working out victories but that is not necessary and through the good work of the people here I now have that info. Several pages with info on the weapons and vehicles used would be good as I make use of the great work put into the Xls sheet on points values. Again it is not necessary just a nice to have. So what things do people think are essential and were missing from the current manual. H

Hmmm I think it might help to explain what things could be different and how? I must admit that I tend to find manuals in general not much use apart from getting you over some basic hurdles of gameplay mechanics. I think the FAQ section here and the BB in general are useful to expand the knowledge base on specific WWII issues. What would you want improved specifically? H

To those who feel this thread should be closed. I think you have some valid points and they are worth considering. However, some of the language is inflammatory and drawing upon gut feelings. "What next, issuing of a yellow star?" "any kind of public flogging" "Perhaps we can force this "phan" to wear a scarlet letter as well?" "When's the public flogging? Can we lynch the whingers who whine about whiners too? " This is unfair and while you might perceive that this is what has happened here I do not believe that to be the case. It has been a discussion held in the open and for all to see and comment on. This is democracy at work. Yes it is unfair that the language is English and if your cultural background and primary language is not English. We can do nothing about that, as this is the medium that we communicate in. While some might wish these discussions were held behind closed doors I think we would have lost something if they had been. The issues raised on these boards cover the whole spectrum of issues around CM and how it is played. Mr D has just raised an issue and people have commented on it. From these responses you get an idea (maybe wrong) of what is perceived to be the common rules of the group, or of certain people amongst the group. The thread has been a discussion and not a "Court" or any of the emotive terms that have been bandied around. I am glad the discussion has happened as it has given me information about what is acceptable and not IMO and made me think through the issues. Just my view and I am trying to take the emotional language out of it. As for naming people then I think if someone is saying something about me I would rather that be in the open than behind closed doors and behind my back. At least I will know where I stand. H

Life is too short. Name the individual so that people can choose if they play them or not. I like you do not want to waste time by playing agmes that are not completed. The person has the right to discuss it from his point of view as there are surely two sides to the story. As for the whole set up of the game etc... The person should have played it through to the bitter end or surrendered IMO. The forum is starting to remind me of CC2 and some of the "win at all costs" idiots that played that game. Thank BTS for ensuring that the game can not be rigged other than set-ups. For us to have a good idea on who we would like to spend time with we need to know the type of person we are up against. So I see no reason why the player should not be named. You have presented a clear and well balanced case (or so it would appear) and you are not intentionally defaming the chap just asking for views. There was another heads up a few weeks ago about a chap playing the tourney organised by Ted, (if I remember correctly). He made his views known about some issues and the person concerned could have replied if they wished. So name and allow the person to respond if they want to. H

Just watched the big video Flamedecker sent me!!! How he manges to do it is beyond me. He must have a secret patch!!! That is the second set of US troops that have had more flames than a BK burger. I had to spend 20 minutes just watching all the action. We are about 1/2 way through and he has finally got off his bum and is trying to take the flags back. As for Der Berg. We are about a 1/4 the way through it. Warren has come up trumps and done several turns today. Unlike our American cousin who has done very little this weekend. I guess he prefers La De Da ASL and talking to real people and drinking beers rather than being a slave to a computer screen... Yes dear coming now dear.... Must go and talk to her in doors... H

Keep yer shirt on... some of us actually had to work last night. I'd also like to remind my esteemed opponents that I will be out of touch most of Saturday.</font>

Well if the American and Canadian would hurry up and finish work we could do some more turns... I have not had my daily dose from Redeker yet. H

Hi Panzer76 Why the sad face? You said: - "BTS: Have you improved the AI for CMBB? Please say so, or else it will almost be a multiplayer game only. " I know that the game can be played by yourself and that is a challenge to begin with. But what is wrong with a multiplayer game only? If you think about it we can not possibly hope to mimic the devious nature of human players in CM. So accept the limitations and choose some fellow players to get your fix on. Sure that might not be ideal but I can assure you it is far better than when there were no computers and your mates lived some distance away and your mum kept wanting the spare room floor back and crushing your airfix men and tanks. It is better than trying to load a computer game from a crappy old tape drive and waiting 15 minutes for it to load only to then find that it had failed to load on the 48k Spectrum you had set up with the TV. I like Snappy await the day some nice young person comes along and develops a new way of doing the AI that is so blindingly obvious no-one sees it at the moment. Until that day play humans to be stretched further than you ever want to be stretched. H Edited to be PC and stop her in doors complaining [ April 04, 2002, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

Ahhh well time for bed and the Yanks have let the Brits down again... "Edited because as I sent this a wire came in ohhh Thankyou Redeker....." I had to console myself with talking to the G/F and finding out what sort of day she had etc.... etc... etc... :eek: As for ASL I only progressed as far as Squad Leader and the various expansion packs for that game. I did not have the skill level to get onto the Advanced game. Or the money and willingness to pay a second time for something I already had. I will see what the great gods of e-mail bring in the morning. Have fun at work while I sleep.... H Edited because I said thankyou too soon and want you to redo the turn please... On way back to you enjoy... [ April 03, 2002, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

Redeker stop feeling there pain and go and sort Mr Wreck out.... (Some one has to!!!) Your Country needs you... Anyway not sure about the stuff mentioned "I'm playing the latest installment (Day II) of the full 8-game Pegasus Bridge CG." What is that all about? Hurry up and do the damn turn I need my fix and I have everything on hold just to do these two games. H

Hi, for anyone who is interested the final two games I am playing. They are progressing well. I am a third of the way through with Redeker and I got some revenge for him starting fires. Mind you I am sure the swing will come right back and hit me in the face as he was a tad unlucky. As for the Capt he is laying some nice ambushes on the paths up the mountain and I just keep walking into them. We are not yet a 1/4 the way through so plenty of time to find his other surprises and suffer more losses. Good fun and strong opponents will make both these games close fought affairs. H

Hi just a quick update. The battle with Redeker is carrying on a pace of a turn a day. Warren has not responded in a few days so I presume he has the good sense to be using the vacation to good effect. I must say that Redecker is a Pryo and started to burn likely hiding places by dropping rather large shells on trees. :eek: Good job that my men are no where near those shells so he is just wasting his ammo.... H

Rubble from the building hit the mortar tube and put it out of action. Moral of the story is place mortar teams a good distance behind buildings where falling rubble will not break the tube. I have had it happen to me and it is a tad annoying put true to life. Try to imagine a building where something hits the front and stuff comes out the back. I think if you think back a few months you might have seen something similar. A bigger scale but the building you were behind might have been a tad smaller. This game continually annoys me when I am on the end of "Bad Luck" like having a Sherman taken by a Zhreck at 180 Mtr or having my own Zooka round pass through a MKIV and not do any damage. It happens and you have to learn to live with it, that or lose a fair amount of hair and put several dents in a nearby wall. H Edited because I forgot the recent event of a 1 Stuart of my opponent in the scenario "Armoured Ambush" taking out two Tigers and living to tell the tale. :eek: [ March 29, 2002, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

Kip, I am sure that there are lots of players who would like and want what you describe and I will chime in to show that it is so. I am sure that the gods will listen to us if we speak gently and often in favour of such a boon. I must go back to my chanting and meditation in the hope that the dream will be answered. H

Yeah I heard that wine bottles with candles in them are all the rage on the West Coast... So I guess as an act of mercy throw my games so you can have light... P.s. I heard that Hamsters are all the rage West Coast as well, but I guess now they are being put to different uses... H BTW your turn has been sent and I now have 4 days holiday to game and do RL tasks like staining pine doors. Ohhh Joy of Joy...