Juardis

Roger that! And thanks to both of you.

Now we're talking. I throw my application back into the ring. I believe you made a wise decision Mike and I also believe that you'll hear no whining with premade scenarios (but then again, this is a tournament...).

I was playing a quickie last night when my green German 81mm mortar team got knocked out. So I was left with the crew, but instead of having low ammo, it had 15 rounds (cue the Twilight Zone theme). I'm guessing that's a bug since 1.12 was supposed to fix that? Anyway, that got me to thinking. If my mortar team used up all his mortar ammo, he's pretty much worthless. He has ZERO firepower at that point. But, if he loses his mortar, then he at least has low ammo and can defend himself (granted, in a limited capacity). Now I know that this is a limitation in the game in that only one weapon is allowed per infantry unit, but is this something on the list to be fixed in CMBB?

Someone has WAAAAAYYYYYY too much time on his hands

I bought 4 assault boats in a recent meeting engagement. Wonderful spotters, hard to kill. Kinda slow though. Is that gamey?

Hey Triumvir, where art thou?! Cowering and quivering behind the unwritten rule book? Come out and fight! I sent you the file like 5 minutes ago, why haven't ye responded accordingly? Git with it man, there are squires in here that need challenging (I dare not talk to any more of these big fearsome knights because they're so big and..well...fearsome). Anyway, death and destruction in 30 turns or less. I'll write it in the unwritten book with the bits and bytes that will soon be spewing from the severed limbs of your tiny pixels. Beware though my good man. I play with bases turned on and the largest scale I can so my pixels are waaayyyy bigger than yours!

Dan, please post this obviously off topic post in the general forum. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter :lol Just kidding, thanks for the heads up. I don't ever go to the general forum and would surely have missed this.

A suggestion for you treeburst. Use badcos endgame randomizer to put an end to the VL rush on the last turn. +/-5 turns ought to put an end to that tactic, but its hard to say without knowing how many turns there will be. Good luck.

Treeburst, thanks for the update. As has already been seen from the various "what is gamey" threads around, you'll get different answers depending on who you ask. I don't consider too many tactics gamey (force purchases are not gamey, they can at worst be ahistorical, but the purchases themselves are not gamey), but it appears that I could be labelled gamey if my opponent (or you) considers it gamey. For example, using flamethrowers for area denial is something you consider gamey. Now granted, I've only encountered this tactic once, but I did not consider it gamey. How does this take advantage of a limitation in the game engine? It may indeed be using a force ahistorically, but I cannot see where it is taking advantage of the engine. Anyways, I don't get all pissy about gamey behavior (publicly anyway) and I hope to not be accused of such myself. Therefore, as much as I want to play Wild Bill's scenarios, I withdraw my application. I probably would not have been accepted anyways, but just in case. Good luck. And if I were you, I'd give a list of what you consider gamey since you're admittedly stricter than normal.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bauhaus: Lights are on dim mode and still nobody is home. DOH! I really loath SSNs.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> hehe, well, since your rules are unwritten as to how to act in this thread, I'm making it up as I go. And if you fail to find any humor, then in the spirit by which I am greeted, I reply - SOD OFF Triumvir, I'll see you on the battlefield after the weekend - mum in laws birthday

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by R_Leet: Spoiled children and terrorists make demands. Which are you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> yes

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Berlichtingen: English as a second language? What's your first, pig latin?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 2nd, first, and third. My other language is southern, but we ain't in the south at the moment. If this pool is ever relocated to the southern states, then perhaps I could make y'all feel all homey and such, but until then...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Berlichtingen: Sounds like a QB player... definitely an SSN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Aha! I knew there would be an unwritten rule that I failed to read in my trespasses down here. (btw, it's awful drafty here, not as comfortable as some of the past abodes, but alas, they be locked by some bald-headed tyrant). With all the rules down here, you'd figure the rules of engagement would be the first rules unwritten upon entering these hollow (not hallowed mind you, but hollow) walls. Perhaps it is unwritten that unwritten rules not be known? Thus allowing anyone to cry gamey, foul, bull hockey, or home for any rules infractions that result in one's demise (or maybe two's, but who's counting?)! I demand the right to be called Juardis!!!! And I demand to know the rules of engagement prior to engaging in battle!!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bauhaus: What's a kinnit?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> A more accurate question is, what is a pernicious kinnit? And that, my good man, is what I called you denizens of this pool you call cessy whence I first fell into it. You know the pernicious kinnits, they were opening up a can 'o whoop ass all over the oompah loompahs, when the man they call Wonka went and saved them from them. And since this pool currently resides in England, and Big Willy's factory resides in England, I figured the description fit. But then, Berli's definition works too, accepting you not be a noob. [ 08-10-2001: Message edited by: Juardis ]

Very well Triumvir. I look forward (or backward) to it. Yea, though I walk through the valley of Peng, I shall fear no kinnit...

Triumvir (if that is your real name), are you a true pengian or just another kinnit? If pengian by birth, or even if not, then I shall meet you next to the garbage heap I passed on the way down to this...this...cesspool (I still think it unworthy of cessy, but s'est la vie). Look for the burned out assault boats. I'll be in one of them. Since you have apparently been hiding here for a long time, I charge you with setting the battle parameters according to the rules that may or may not exist in these here parts. Because Peng knows, I don't want to bring down the wrath of the natives for not reading an unwritten rule that only aiken knows about. Now, if I can ever find my way back to the outhouse from whence I came, then I could possibly SOD off before finishing my 20 laps. [ 08-09-2001: Message edited by: Juardis ]

I see no SSNs (and I have proven the fact that I can indeed see whilst lounging about in Plato's outhouse). I only see pernicious kinnits. And, as every bottom dweller knows, kinnits taste best when cooked over a cold fire. As a general rule, since rules are meant to be broken but never ever read, I never challenge a kinnit to a cooking contest becuase, well, they cheat. Take akin for example. That gamey kinnit has a rule about toes and guns. It's unfair for him to be using limber toes when the rest of us peng wannabes have to keep our guns hidden. So I demand a pengian, a...what did you kinnit call him, a SSN? I demand a SSN pengian! Alas, I don't believe a pengian exists in this thread. In fact, I wouldn't even call this a cesspool. Maybe a clear pool of muddy water, but certainly not cessy in anyway.

So there I was reading the grafitti on Plato's outhouse when I saw a point in a pointless thread and my brain exploded. But having no brain accentuates the other senses since thinking only blocks the being. So I have since become one with the outhouse. While being one with the outhouse, I noticed an odiferous odor and, being in an outhouse and all, was not surprised. Except this odiferous odor was coming from below the hole in the ground. So I took the ole from me pocket, dropped it over the ole in the ground, and wound up in this cesspool. At first I was frightened, what with it being dark and odiferous and all. Then I heard them. Rules! Starting with x.x, up through 1, and ending....well, they haven't even started. Rules are so...so...so outerboardian. Surely there is anarchy in the famed cesspool of peng? But if not the famed cess, maybe this is a cheap imitation? Oh where oh where am I? Who am I? And why am I such a git? The only answers lie backward, not forward, so backwards I must go. And backwards I went into the dark night of the day. In fact, I backed right up face to face with a pernicious kinnit. Pernicious kinnits I should say (but I won't). So what have you perny kinnits done with the denizens of peng? I demand better!!! Maybe I should take me ole, SOD OFF, and drop into another hole that has a lock over it and a picture of a bald-guy saying stay out!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Capt: Whoa there Juardis!! You might sprain something if you keep going like that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> NOW you warn me! It's too late though, my brain exploded shortly after I realized that I did find the point AND I could see, thus violating the Juardis modified Heisenbergs uncertainty principle. What's the Heisenberg uncertainty principle? In laymens terms it's "You cannot know the exact position of an object at any particular point in time." Juardis modifies this as saying, "you cannot know with certainty any 2 points made in one thread on this forum". So, by failing to see the point, or being able to see that no point was made is perfectly acceptable since I fail in one sense or the other (to see or, there is no point). But *to see* *a point* or *fail to see* *no point* is like, well, knowing 2 things (or not knowing 2 things) at the exact same moment in time in a thread in which, as admitted to by the author, contains no point. So my brain exploded. ...and all smilies died inglorious with it.

I fail to see the point of this thread. Now, that means that there is no point or I cannot see. So let us hypothesize that there is a point, I just cannot see it. Which means all bathroom walls look alike and I know not what you're talking about. Yet there are bathrooms, of that I am sure, so there must be walls unless your crapping on some white puffy clouds and you feel a cold breeze blowing across your bottom. And if there are walls, surely someone will write on them. But I cannot see because there is a point here. So if no one sees the writing on the wall, was it written to begin with? There is certainly enough evidence that I cannot see because my tanks never hit anything and I never see what hits me. Therefore, there is a point in this thread and I'm pretty sure it's not on the bathroom walls because then I would not get the point because I cannot see the point. Perhaps I can hear the point? Listening (hand cupped to ear)....nope, I hear the guy in the next cube talking baby talk to his 2 yr old. Perhaps that is the point? We are all children? And 2 year olds soil their diapees all the time. So we're all children running around with soiled diapees? Surely there's a better point here? The point is out there, I have proven that already. The key is finding it. Wait, that's it! That's the point. You cannot kill what you cannot see! Plato HAS SPOKEN and I have heard him (since I cannot see him). I see the point now. Uh oh, if I can see, then going back to the original supposition, there is no point here. Damn! I thought I had unlocked the mystery of the quotient but instead my original statement needs amending to "I see (I've proven that already) no point (yep, proven that too) in this thread." Where's PIPPU when you need him?

Wild Bill, there are ALWAYS surprises with your scenarios . You are the reason I applied for this tournament. Some of the best battles I've had have come on your maps. So...if I don't get in, I look forward to playing them if/when released.

group hug hi mom

OK David, what if I start it hitched then unlimbered it without moving my transport? Like, the transport sorta started right next to where I wanted to unlimber. Amazing dudes those truck drivers. They know where I want to go before I do . By your definition, you should have no problem with that since I 1)wasted money on wheels and 2)started with the guns hitched.

I kinda like Boxer's argument, which I haven't heard anyone counter yet. If you know the enemy is in front of you, then you are advancing expecting to meet them. You don't know if they're 100m ahead or 1000m, just that they're up there somewhere. So, in the absence of firm intelligence, it would seem to me that you would advance in bounding overwatch. You cover your initial advance with guns & tanks, then move said guns & tanks up to cover the next advance and so on. However, if you're just advancing for the sake of advancing and are totally unsuspecting that the enemy is in front of you, then all your infantry are in columns marching along the road or embarked on transports. Your guns are hitched and on the road. Your tanks are on the road. In short, you don't expect a fight so you're moving expeditiously and that would be along the road. I don't think it was SOP to move tanks and infantry across country if you weren't expecting a battle there, but then again, I could be wrong. It seems to me that the meeting engagement, as defined in this game, is more the former than the latter. But if BTS intended it to be a surprise engagement, then perhaps the setup zones could've been restricted to columns or roads? Did I get your gist Boxer? And David, it appears that you are not confusing ahistorical and gamey, so I retract my 150mm inf gun remark.

David, I understand your point and I even agree with it IF you look at a meeting engagement the way you laid it out. I guess what I'm confused about is that you've been playing this game as long as me (i.e., over a year now) and this is just now a problem? I'm am soooo glad I was not your opponent because I don't take too kindly to being called gamey and to accuse a person of such on a point that has NEVER been brought up before, however valid it is, is ridiculous. It's getting to the point where a person has to send out a 50 question questionaire in order to play a game that doesn't piss someone off. I mean, some of the things people consider gamey I quite frankly am flaggergasted about. Buying a jabo is gamey?!?! C'mon people, jabo's are as likely to drop their 500 lb'r on your own troops let alone his. Sending a crew to man a VL that you already control is gamey?! You are ordering them AWAY from the fighting, how can that be gamey? And finally, people seem to be confusing gamey with ahistorical. Gamey is taking advantage of a limitation in the game's coding or engine, ahistorical is buying forces that were never together or did not represent the right mixture. I am not enough of a grog to know what's historical or ahistorical, so until BTS codes an historical option in the game, I'm guess I'm always in danger of being labelled ahistorical. Just don't confuse it with being gamey. And David's example falls into neither gamey (concealing an AT gun is not taking advantage of the games coding deficiencies) nor ahistorical (AT guns were present on the battlefields). It falls into the category of unrealistic at best, pedantic whining at worst. How often was a 150mm inf gun present on the battlefields AND used in a direct fire role? I don't know, I don't care, but I bet someone could take offense to one being there. Especially since the allies do not have an equivalent.