Andreas

How much simpler then 'Panzer 4' or 'Panzer IV lang' or even simply '4', 'der Vierer', or '4 Lang' does it get in terms of conveying what you are talking about? Is 'Panther' really simpler than that? In comparative conversations, e.g. looking at the merits of the Panther D over the Panther A (or whatever), they may just have referred to 'der neue' and 'der alte' (the new and the old). Who knows. I have not consciously registered a lot of use of slang for German kit in documents/memoirs I read. Apart from what has already been mentioned. I know that one particular version of T34 was called 'Micky Mouse', because it had two round turret hatches. And I fully agree with Dandelion on the quaintness of British regimental names. Canadians are just plain weird - Nova Scotia Highlanders... Uh right. That's like the London Irish, though. [nods to Richard]My favourite are the Artists Rifles [/nods to Richard].

He can't hold a candle to me. I know at least one other who is going on that train. Email me for my mobile number.

I am the dashing looking chap with the Tiger 131 baseball cap.

Well yes, if you could get one. German weapon loadout in CM maybe too generous on the automatics. Certainly some of what I have read about late-war indicates that automatic infantry weapons were not that common. Also note that Jary's point was not about the weapons, it was about the function of the non-MG crew members of the squad. Whether they were armed with toothpicks, fully automatic railguns, or Intergalacticautomaticnazimegadeathblastersofdoom™ seems not to have mattered.

The German pilots did, if you mean Pervitin. Not sure about the Allies, but my guess would be 'yes'.

I have read of one instance in Italy, where a British infantry attack was planned to go ahead after a scheduled FB mission (arranged over night, so the pilots should have been able to look at a map in the time they had). The FBs showed up, machine-gunned the British infantry and left. The attack proceeded successfully after this semi-comical interlude.

AFAIK (someone correct me if I am wrong), drinking warm, not hot beverages in a hot climate is better than drinking cold beverages. As I was told, this is because the higher temperature differential makes you break out in sweat, i.e. you loose fluid more quickly when you drink ice-cold water, rather then a warm (not hot) cup of tea.

Well I have not read 'When the odds were even', but if the fundamental criticism of it on site (i.e. that he did not use German records for the strength determination of the German side, but instead US intel records) is correct, then his comparative analysis will make nice toilet paper, but not advance the debate about whether van Creveld is right or not. Here is a quote, that, if it correctly states what Bonn is doing in his work, would consign it to the partisan, do not bother bother reading pile of books: I have read Dobler's 'Closing with the enemy', and I think he is putting a positive gloss on things. So the US Army was good at learning things, see how they developed in MOUT between Brest and Aachen. Err well, see how by the time of Brest, almost two years into the actual fighting in the ETO, they still needed to figure out the basics, would be an equally biased reply to that. The link is part of the Mythos Revisited site on Military History Online, which makes for some interesting reading. As people who know my posting here will know, I am not one of the 'The Wehrmacht rocked so bad, it hurt' ilk. Quite on the contrary in fact. But on the other hand, I do not expect the analysis of WW II history to be advanced if the Wehrmacht adulation drivel is replaced by equally misguided US Army adulation drivel. Oh, and can we leave the Iraq bollocks to the General Forum? Thank you. [ May 19, 2004, 09:31 AM: Message edited by: Andreas ]

Because it was quickly realised that the inability of the US Army to bring hot food to the frontline in the winter of 44/45 (instead relying on the infantry man to help himself with cold rations) was not helping, maybe? I also was not aware that tank crews are in combat 24 hours, 7 days a week.

I am not sure about CMBO, but CMBB and CMAK won't run. Thanks all for the advice. After long deliberations, and an attempt to get an iBook G3/700 online (thanks Paul), I managed to get hold of a very well-specced G4/800 for a decent price today, on Ebay. No CMBB on that machine but I am sure that whatever BFC brings out next, will run just fine on it. The G3/800 and 900 machines with the decent VRAM are still far too expensive on Ebay, following the price drop for the new G4 iBooks.

Thanks Testudo. Do you know what kind of lectures they were?

Let me put it this way - I will be at the Big Black Tank at 12.30, since I can not make it before. Then I'll see who else is there. If someone wants a picture for recognition purposes, or my mobile number, send me an email.

Anything for Debbie!

Meeting time - can we make it 12.30? The train from Waterloo will arrive at Wool at 11.57 (yeah right), so it will take about half an hour or so to get to the museum and buy a ticket, I would have thought.

Hm okay, I have been convinced by the number of tanks they want to roll out. I am also on the 9.30 from Waterloo. If someone else is going on that, bring a laptop with CM on it Return on the 19.05 from Wool. Cory, what are you doing after Sunday in the UK?

You can look it up on Multimap.com. Zoom in, and you get an idea of the road layout, and the large forests nearby. The terrain will be flat, with a tendency to gently undulate. All terrain in that area is like that. Oh, and boggy. If they know one thing in that area, it is bogs. They are experts in them. Deep, treacherous, mindnumbingly flat bogs. Did I mention it is a boggy area?

IWM Landwarfare Hall at Duxford is nice. Go on a sunny bankholiday weekend, and all the veteran planes will be out to fly.

More specifically, anyone travelling from London that day by car?

90 - unlikely, they were in the Western Alps in August, so probably disengaging. 29, much more likely, they are in the Firenze/Abbruzzo area at this time, in Rimini only in October.

I'll probably make it after all.

Anche questo e vero. OOB for 114. Jägerdivision

Story about the Cameron Highlanders in Tuscany indicating that 1st Para may have been their opponent, but it is avery tenuous link. 12th Frontier Force Regiment showing Campriano as an individual battle honour. Online history of 4th Indian, section on Campriano This gives at least a list of the divisions opposite the Indian divisions (4th and 10th): The list is probably not correct though. There was no 114. Infantrydivision. 305. Infanteriedivision is listed on Lexikon der Wehrmacht as being at Pescara (although elements of it could have been elsewhere, theoretically). 5th Mountain could have been there, and 44. Grenadierdivision definitely was. OOB for 44. GD

Man kann wohl einfach 'danke für den Link' sagen. You want this page in particular: Main page And within that the 'Truppenteile/Einheiten/Gliederungen' section. Has blueprints for a lot of KSTNs and info on pretty much all divisions, more for some of the famous ones, such as 1.PD then for others.

4th Indian Division, by the looks of it. I had a look-see last night, and the Indian division's history fails to give the information for the opponents. The same for any other English language website I could find, and there is nothing in German that I could find either.