killmore

By the way how do I join Beta Testers for CM2?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Knaust: I will play Chance Encounter! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You are SICK, SICK, SICK!

I will be happy if we get an update once evry 2 weeks. I don't think we should ask BTS for more. (They gave us update last week)

And I thought that Porshes have good acceleration. 0-12 miles in 20 seconds just does not cut it. By the way In CC3 I managed finally to kill it with flame thrower... But when I played as German it lasted until the very end of the war.

From my memories of CC3 I recall having tremendous problems with Ferninants. No AT gun seem tough enough to kill it. If this vehicle will be in CM what do you recommend I use to kill it? Can any Allied armour kill it by hitting its frontal armour? (without critical hit) Or maybe CC Ferdinands were over powered?

Thanks for reading the thread BTS. Other game companies would just ignore it. I hope you will consider the sun in CM-X.

I wonder what will be the first thing you would want to play? Will you play canned scenario/operation/campaing? Will you make a new scenarion? For example: I will play random scenario where I will defend against large allied attack... Sorry about the title! I really managed to screw it up. [This message has been edited by killmore (edited 03-06-2000).]

BTS - forget the reflections, shade etc. I know that doing it will take huge amount of time. All I really wanted is the decreased visibility of the unit positioned right in from of the sun. Every flight sim does it. Basically: if(lineOfFireToTheEnemy hits PositionOfTheSun +/- sunSize*2) { Enemy visibility /=2; FireAccuracyTowardEnemy /=5; } That really all I was wondering about and nothing more ! Of course there is a problem of moving the sun across the sky during every turn... And that is something that is not accounted for at all in your engine... So it might be a time consuming problem!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ol' Blood & Guts: I really hate to keep harping on this, BUT... the "When it's done" reason just doesn't get it in the high-paced world that we all live in now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I am a software engineer and I have to say I agree. In ideal world you could wait until it is done but it just does not work well in current situation... But I am totally opposed to releasing unfinished, buggy product. "Features" could be sacrificed but it cannot be buggy [This message has been edited by killmore (edited 03-03-2000).]

Who was accepting bets on release dates? I think all of the bets were too optimistic. Maybe be we should start from the begining. My new bet is May 9th. (55th universary of VE)

You are right! This would be another semi-random effect that can influence the battle significantly. Just like weather... You could position your small AT gun in that way. You could also move your tank into "out-of-the-sun" position. I also don't expect "exact" sun simulation any time soon. The only effect that could be done in reasonable programming/execution time is if the sun is directly behind some unit. (It was done before in Flight Sims...) Well maybe in CM-X... [This message has been edited by killmore (edited 03-03-2000).]

I never seen a sun in CM. I don't think it is ever shown. But effects of sun on the battle might be significant. Imagine that the setting sun would be behind the 88 in the Reisenburg scenario. Shermans would not be able pinpoint where from the fire is coming from due to blinding glare. Unit recognition and fire accuracy would also be affected if units would try to look toward the sun. Imagine the Stug hull down behind the hill and the sun right behind him. Glare would make it almost imposible to kill it. Comments please...

I am mostly interested in plastic models. (1/72 scale) Any web sites? Matchbox used to have a lot of them but not it is just Barbies and model cars for her.

From CC board. Grogs please comment! Pictures links attached at the end : This is a wrap-up of the findings so far on the interesting issue concerning : the sinking of a warship by two german Pz IVD in late May 1940 off : Boulogne. : I am in possession of a war diary of the german 3. Armor Regiment (part of 2. : Armor Division). For the 25.5.1940 it makes mention of two of the : regiment's Pz IV tanks engaging and after a longer fire exchange : eventually sinking what the report calls a "british destroyer" : just outside Boulogne. It also has two pictures, one shows the crew of one : of the tanks with a kill painting of a ship on the tank's turret, the : other picture shows a german jeep with soldiers on the beach taking a look : at the the sunk ship in the outer harbor of Boulogne. : Although the date of the battle report is 25.5.1940, the kill marking on the : tank has the date 23.5.1940. Also, I am not a naval expert, but the ship : looks pretty small for a destroyer to me. : I have searched the british navy data and I am pretty confident that the ship : in question was not british. The closest I could come up with would be the : french Chacal, time and place would fit my source, but a french navy page : lists it as destroyed by german aircraft. My source makes no mention of : german aircraft. It might also be possible that it is one of the : expatriate, fled Polish, Danish or Norwegian vessels. : I would be inclined to label the incident a clever propaganda trick by the : german army if it wasn't for the fact that the book was published by : veterans several decades after the war, told by the veterans and enriched : with the old official battle reports. : I have typed up and translated the report in the book: ------------ : 1st Btln / 3rd Armor Regt Commander 4th Company : Tanks versus Warship, 25.5.1940 : The sun that went into the water colored the smoke rising over Boulogne in : bloody red. A succesful day was closing. The goal had been met, all : coastal emplacements had been taken. The french navy units were marched : back into the rear in huge columns. The tank crews had prepared a small : evening meal and enjoyed the calmness that had settled in. Suddenly an : alert. Oberleutnant v. Jarowski was waving his hands from afar and : indicated "immediately two 7.5cm - tanks with me". While the : drivers started the engines, the vehicles were prepared for battle. The : company commander (=said OLt Jarowski) jumped onto the leading vehicle : aand gave a short instruction: "english destroyer is attempting to : land troops in the Boulogne harbor". The commander orders fastest : pace, the two tanks race on the straight road through the bivouac are, : turn off of it to use a shortcut, an proceeded to the most advanced : stretch of ground, from where one could see 70m into the harbor bay. The : voice of the tank commander - almost sounding like a cheer - announced : "1 o'clock, distance 500, destroyer" immediately answered by the : gunner "target identified". The first two rounds left the gun, : the adjusting fire had been finished. The loader worked as fast as he was : possible, the gunner kept readjusting without releasing the trigger, round : after round left the gun. The destroyer slowly prepared to dock; troops : were easily recognizable standing closely cramped on the deck, busy : activity everywhere. The terror of the impacting rounds caused everybody : who wasn't blasted from deck to run back and forth in confusion. They did : not know where they were attacked from. The destroyer accelerated it's : speed to evade the fire of the two tanks. The two tanks were forced to : stop their fire for very short intervals to advance their position with : short dashes. They still didn't ceae fire and round after round flew : through the air. Immediately in front of the ship's command tower one : could see an approximately 5m high, suddenly erupting bright yellow blast : flame. From then on the forward part of the ship was blocked from the : vision of the tanks because of the strong fumes and smoke. Only now did : the ship's crew start to defend. From the rear/aft, one broadside after : another left the ship The smoke grew more thick and at times covered the : whole ship. Now strong enemy fire set in from everywhere. From the hill on : the opposing side of the harbor enemy Air Defense artillery shot at the : tanks; about ten muzzle flashes were identifiable. After, apparently : through radio, the position of the tanks had been reported to enemy naval : units cruising at high sea, those warships started to pour an intense : barrage of High Explosive and fragmentation grenades onto the tanks. All : hatches and shutters on the tanks had to be closed, however these : disadvantageous circumstances did not keep the crew from keeping up their : feverish activity. The smoke and propellant residue from the gun which : dispersed glowing red throughout the crew compartment each time the breech : was opened let all contours appear as schemes and as if smudged. The air : became thick, acidous and burned the lungs. All crew members were eager to : help the loader with his work, rounds were handed to him from everywhere, : so that no pause would enter the nonstop rapid fire. The prolonged fire : exchange forced the destroyer to retreat into the outer harbor. A few : hours later the destryoer sunk, which was even conceded by the english : "Nachrichtendienst" (could mean either civilian "news : agency" or military "intelligence service"). : ------------ : This is what I have concluded so far: The report only mentions "7.5cm : tanks". The 3. Pz Regiment was equipped with Pz IV Ausf. D at that : time which would be the only type to fit that bill. : The reported enemy fire from the opposing side of the harbor would mean that : the event took place at a time when the stretch of coast around Boulogne : was not entirely occupied/secured. Boulogne's Chateau/citadel was : surrenderedd 24.5., a fort west of Boulogne was taken 25.5.; the Fort de : la Crèche according to the war diary was taken after this incident. Since : the 2. Panzerdivison with it's 3. and 4. Panzerregiment closed onto and : concquered Boulogne from the south, this would place the event just south : of Boulogne. The french Chacal was lost on 23/24.5. 1940 at Cap : d'Alprecht. Cap d'Alprecht is just immediately south-west outside of : Boulogne. : The dating of the batle report would not conflict with this as this is the : date of the write-up of the action by the company commander (Olt v. : Jarowski), besides, the tank kill marking on one of the pictures has the : date 23.5.1940. : The official cause of sinking of the Chacal by german aircraft bombs seems : dubious in so far as I am also in possesion of a war diary of the 2. KG, a : medium bomber wing equipped with Do-17 medium bombers which was used for : tactical air support of the tank units in the french campaign, for attacks : on enemy airfields, and participated on the atacks on shipping in the : channel. For Wednesday, 22.5.1940 and Thursday, 23.5.1940 the entries : report very bad weather that denied all operations up to 23.5.1940 and : most operations on 23.5.1940. Mind you, this does not mean the supposed : attack of german aircraft against the Chacal is impossible, it is just not : likely. : Also, the fact that the german commander initially misidentified the ship as : a british destryoer doesn't really mean a lot, since IMO a tank commander : doesn't really know ships too well, and any enemy vessel encountered might : be labeled "Ein Engländer!" just like american GI's saw a Tiger : in every german tank they encountered. besides, they also did not have : time to correctly identify the ship afterwards due to the fast-paced : nature of the warfare (Blitzkrieg) in which the 2.Panzerdivision was : engaged, so they left the Boulogne area immediately after that to pursue : the retreating enemy and advance towards the Dunkirk area. : Another not match but good bet would be the french patrol boat Lorientaise. : However, it is reported scuttled in Boulogne harbor on 21.5.1940. : Here are again the three pictures published before. #1 shows Feldwebel : Langhammer in his Pz IVD with the kill marking painted to the turret. #2 : shows a picture of german soldiers on the beach looking at the sunk : british ship. #3 is a zoomed out part of picture #2 showing the profile of : the british vessel. : : : : I have turned towards several people to inquire into this nevertheless I : think the knowledge/expertise usually found on this board will be very : valuable, too. : yours sincerely, : Markus Hofbauer http://www.freenet.de/Hofbauer/dest1.jpg http://www.freenet.de/Hofbauer/dest2.jpg http://www.freenet.de/Hofbauer/dest3.jpg

Steve - you don't want to use CoolColJ textures? (With his permission of course - maybe for exchange for free CM copy)

BIG THANKS! MadMatt - get to work man! Sound like release date will be VE. (9th of May)

While playing LD I kept firing at MG42 team. At certain point if I would select that MG42 info it would say "Immobilized". I thought only vehicles can get that... What does it really mean? Is MG too heavy for one person to carry?

A while ago BTS (Steve) promised a regular updates on what is happening with CM. If BTS did not give us an update recently - can you please give us one? It would relax the tesion on this board somewhat...

I really can't see why you would try to compare these two games. It is like comparing Nascar racing game with Grand theft auto

Who is that Mogica guy?

Was the panter engine ever made reliable? Did Germany ever started to produce reliable version? What was the average life of the engine?

Let me give credit to the author: Posted By: Fahrschule (216.34.244.70)

Oberfeldwebel Schnurrer, commander of Panther 402, of the 402d Panzer Brigade, attached to 116th Panzer Division for Wacht am Rhein, deftly mounted his shiny, freshly waxed Panther G. He found it amazing how easy it had been to cover the standard ambush scheme with this Sears Weatherbeater off white. One drive through the new Einheitstarnstrichsupermaschine and presto, even the tracks were white. The engine was running, giving Ofw Schnurrer that warm, fuzzy feeling that tankers get knowing they get to ride and not walk. Their Panther was a new G, and still had 133 km left to go before the final drives would fail. He had gotten a few kills in this one and he was proud of his crew. The only point of concern was his new driver, Mogica. He was untested. Schnurrer wasn’t too worried; word was going around that the new driving course had been turning out much better drivers than before. Special emphasis had been placed on crossing bridges and taking the shortest route to the desired destination. Adjusting his headset, Schnurrer prepared to give the order to advance, to roll forward into battle one more time. He didn’t have very high hopes for the success of the operation, but it was good to take the fight to the enemy once again. He was worried about Jabos, but he was counting on the weather to give him cover. How many day of „good“ weather would they have?... There was a crackle in his headset and the order had been given. Ofw Schnurrer gave his own order for his platoon to follow him. He then keyed the intercom and instructed Mogica to advance along the road. The engine roared and the Panther lurched forward. The tracks squealed in protest as they were pulled by the drive sprocket. In moments Schnurrer’s tanks were barreling down the road ready for anything that might come their way. Or so they thought. He noticed a sign ahead. Dasburg. The first checkpoint on his route through the Ardennes. Shouldn’t be much resistance, the Amis weren‘t ready. Houses on either side of the road could conceal any number of American infantry. But he wasn’t concerned; the reconnaissance detachments had reported Dasburg clear of the enemy up the river. On to the bridge. During the approach march, Schnurrer had not given Mogica any specific instructions for maneuvering the vehicle. Mogica was doing fine. If only he would do so well in battle, their chances were very good. Slowing down on the town streets, Mogica seemed to know what he needed to do. Then Klang! A shot ricocheted off the glacis in a shower of sparks. Mogica stopped. PAK! Gotta move before the second shot Schnurrer thought. He’d never find that damn gun until the infantry came up. Where the hell were they anyway? “Mogica, 10 meters to the building at 2 o’clock. Go!” Nothing happened. The steel monster stood where it had been. Then came Mogica’s supremely calm voice over the intercom “Keine klare Schußlinie.” No clear line of fire? Ofw Schnurrer was at a loss for words. Klang! The second shot hit home. God, we’ve got to move. “Mogica, get this crate moving. We need to get behind that cover!” And again that emotionless response “keine klare schußlinie.” Schnurrer was starting to panic, what was wrong with this guy? There was nothing in the road between them and safety. Klang! Another hit. Must be a 57mm. Otherwise they’d already have been dead. “Gefreiter Mogica! Drive, goddammit! We will die here unless you move to that frickin’ building! The whole wehrmacht is stacked up behind us!” Nothing but the same “keine klare Schußlinie.” What did they teach this kid in school? Klang! And a scream. Krauß, the radio operator had been killed by a hit on the kugelblende for the bow MG. Across the draw, SGT Murphy watched in disbelief as the Panther sat there not moving. That his gun wasn’t very effective didn’t surprise him. But these panzer drivers had a habit of exposing their sides and as long as no infantry showed up, Murphy’s crew could fight, well, until the ammo ran out. Why wasn’t this guy moving? “Mogica, we’ve got to get to Noville before nightfall! We must stay on schedule! Drive!” Ofw Schnurrer was giving up hope. The other tanks in his platoon were shielded by him, but they knew what was happening. They could hear the roar of the gun and grotesque wail of shot hitting armor. Suddenly Schnurrer was thrown against the back of the cupola. They were moving. What had gotten to Mogica? Then he heard it. A low mumbling in his headset. “Noville, drive. Noville. Drive.” Over and over. Mogica was in a trance or something. He was driving for Noville. But why? Why would he drive for Noville but not go for cover? What was wrong with that boy? Simply amazed that they were moving, Schnurrer failed to realize what driving to Noville meant. When the Panther swung around hard to the right to head for the bridge, Schnurrer knew it was over. That PAK was still out there, and probably others, and Mogica had just shown his vulnerable flank to the enemy. “Stop! Defend Left!” Weidinger, the gunner hesistated and then started turning the turret to the left because Mogica was not turning the hull. Were they all gonna die without firing a shot? Schnurrer knew by now that his driver was insane. He didn’t notice the crash of the round tearing into the house behind him. He was trying to solve the puzzle Mogica had presented. He wouldn’t turn to face the enemy. He wouldn’t move just a short distance. But he would drive for Noville. “Mogica, Noville, drive!” The engine roared as Mogica gave gas and headed for Noville. Approaching the bridge Mogica began turning to the left. Schnurrer, waiting for the right moment, screamed “Stop!” and the Panther stopped. Now they had their best armor towards the enemy. But where was that AT gun? Schnurrer peered out of his periscopes and could see tracer fire from the other tanks in his platoon pouring into the treeline ahead. The gun was suppressed if not knocked out. The infantry had caught up and were directing the fire of the other tanks. Schnurrer was alone by the bridge. Trained that action was better than inaction, Schnurrer decided to cross the bridge and mix it up with the enemy troops. After all he had a new Panther G with the nahverteidungsdingsbums in the turret roof. That thing fired four rapid-fire, heat-seeking, anti-personnel Bombs. With those, Schnurrer could chew up a squad of infantry in seconds. It was awesome. He started dreaming of being awarded the Infanteristvernichtungsabzeichen, for the destruction of infantrymen in close combat using only a tank. Major Hofbauer already had five of those. He decided that he wanted one, too. “Mogica, drive ahead, over the bridge, to Noville.” Schnurrer was confident that the magic phrase “ to Noville” was the key to getting Mogica to act. But the bridge was a new facet of the problem. Schnurrer discovered his error as his forehead smashed into the cupola ring in front of him. Mogica has slammed the vehicle into reverse and driven straight back! “Mogica, I am going to kill you!” he screamed as the blood began to flow into his eyes..... .....the blood flowed. If flowed like a river over the keyboard, and onto the desk of the poor Closecombat player who was beating his head on the monitor because he couldn’t get his tanks to go where he wanted......

Death Match: BTS Steve vs Atomic Mad Bunny! Let see if Steve can eat this bunny for breakfast!

I see you saw CC3 cover. - I really did not like that one.