Stalins Organ

publishing pics of dead Americans seems to be pretty sensational. Dead Iraqi's are, of course, blase

clearly someone is making a profit from Iraq......and trying to hide "the truth" behind the walls of "the temple" of military necessity. they are the pharisees, despite your poorly reasoned attempts to persuade us otherwise. As you asked - what would Jesus have done? As I answered - he would have spoken the truth, he would have pointed out what was actually happening, despite entrenched interests trying to prevent him. Can you show us how it is that "professional news people" are trying to stop the truth being spoken in this case? What is it they are trying to prevent? That would certainly be a marvelous construction and worth a read.......

no - the military is in the role of the money changers here - money is not the issue - the issue is the establishment gilding over the truth. the pharisee's were using the temple as an excuse for money changing. the military are using their "contracts" as an excuse for censorship.

Jesus would have published the truth regardless of the establishment - the money changers in the temple.

You forgot to add a lick o' paint!

wop, wog, n****r, krout, hun, frog, fuzzy-wuzzy, black.....most of the brit ones are merely descriptive....

the British design was a failure because the armoured flight deck and enclosed hangar were part of the hull girder box. With battle damage they became twisted and were essentially impossible to get straight again - they were almost all scrapped after the war due to damage - the Illustrius was able to steam at a max 22 kts so was only good for experimetnal purposes, Victorious had a "refit" that was a disaster as a project, etc. Their design failed through no fault of the designers tho...well not particularly - they were constrained by size, and designed for the weapons they thought would be used - 6" guns and 500lb bombs. See this article/review for an overview.

British name for Avenger: Tarpon (I kid you not - they changed it to Avenger I after a short time...) Martlet vs Wildcat - the name Wildcat wasn't adopted by hte USN until October 41....the FAA had already had Martlets in action by then (first kill 25 December 1940), and although they changed the British name to the US one you'd have to say the Yanks were a bit slow on the uptake!! FAA Hellcats were originally named "Gannet I", Hellcat being adopted early in 1943 when the Brits decided to adopt all US a/c names, and befoer this type was actually in FAA service. Of course in some cases the British names were adopted by the US - the Mustang, the War- & Kittyhawks (although they were obviously plays on previous Curtis "Hawk" names) So you'd have to say there's a fair bit of cross polination going in around the time of WW2. since then it's been al downhill for the yanks tho!

Heck even Wiki says that the rearming planes were on the hangar deck, and the "problem" was that the rush to get them rearmed led to ordnance lying around on that deck rather than being returned to the magazines. But even with all that 3 of the Japanese carriers were scuttled rather than actually sunk by USN attacks. Luck certainly had something to do with -a Akagi was hit by only 1 bomb, but that bomb exploded amongst the ordanance lying around the hanger deck. A second bomb near-missed Akagi, but slanting in exploded underneath her - bending the flight deck and damaging the rudder. without the torpedoes and bombs lying around hte Hanager deck Akago would surely have been out of action....but might well have made it back to Japan. The idea that the torpedo bombers of VT-3, 6 and 8 purposely attacked to draw the Japanese CAP out of position is preposterous, and the SBD's finding the Arashi's wake and following to the carriers when they were almsot out of gas was pure serendipity. not to decry the skill and bravery of the USN fliers, but to say that coincidence, luck and fluke had nothing to do with it is ludicrous.

Yes, too many words biased the wrong way.

Your "fact" that the NYT is prejudiced merely shows that you yourself are prejudiced*. Judging whether something is prejudiced or not is by definition a matter of opinion - even if the authors admit to prejudice that's still only their opinion! That said, how is this alleged prejudice evident in this article? * - IMO of course

Play Carriers at War - then the aircraft are launched when you tell them to be, they'er recovered when requird, they're rearming or refueling when that is required....computers are great for housekeeping!!

I'd be interested in Abbots identification of which statments in the article are not facts. It's very important to identify opinion and treat it as such. for example is it a fact that this chap Miller was given a letter from a US General baring him from any area controlled by US Marines? Is it a fact that there are very few images (half a dozen is the nubmer given) of dead US soldiers? Is it a fact that over 4000 US servicement have been killed? Is it a fact that several journalists have been "de-embeded" after publishing photos someone in the US military didn't like? Iis it a fact that (attributed to Lt. Col. Chris Hughes, a Marine spokesman) - did the Lt Col say this, and is it true? Abbot you're good at slining stuff far and wide....how about identifying the actual target for the rest of us poor dupes?

Yeah he let the game flow....especially when the Aussies were cheating!!

Affe's right - we should have got ourselves a better coach.......half the country thought so last year......but I'm from Canterbury...what would I know??!! How long is Roobbie Dean's contract for?....

1 movie for the Hobbit, another for the 80 (?) years between the end of Hobbit & start of LotR

Yeah it was extensively discussed on the previous forum

Not a bad move for the US in the current WTO talks - offering to cut the subsidies to $15 bilion/year. Except of course at the moment they're only actually paying $7 billion per annum due to high prices!!:eek::cool::confused: Linky

...perhaps the Cadburys tag is just a front??

As opposed to the interesting and fun things Finns do in their spare time?

I think we had this covered a few weeks before the old GF was swallowed by a black hole.... A small black hole is still small - so small that the event horison of a blach hols generated by an atomic mass will be so small it could probably sit inside an atom and not affect it. You could have dozens - hundreds - thousands - inside your body without noticing. Even if one did suck up a stray subatomic particle the resulting "larger" black hole would still be effectively in a total vacuum with nothing nearby close enough to be affected by it. And on top of that if Hawking Radiation does exist then the micro-atomic black hole will cease to exist in a micro-second anyway. but even if it doesn't it's so small that it might take billions of years to actually interact with it's nearest atom of ormal matter, or pass completely through the earth a few million times without hitting anything.

As a commercial for Cadbury I think it's pretty poor since it really doesn't give any prominance to the product........I guess we just like gorillas playing drums! However as an advert for an old Phil Collins song it's done very well!!

There's a new M*A*S*H show? I think we liked the last 9 or 10 series of the old one......or is that the one that's new for you?

All your thread belong us!

Anyone else got the gorilla add for Cadbury Chocolate playing on their TV these days? It's pushed the old Phil Collins song to #1 in NZ - it's on You Tube somewhere but I can't access it from work so you'll have to provide yor own link sorry. IRC the guy in the suit also did gorilla stuff for King Kong.....talk about type cast!!