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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: Pearl Harbor covers the Battle of britain, the Pearl Harbor raid, and the Doolittle Raid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The Battle of Britain?? Bloody hell, as if Patriot, U-571 and Braveheart weren't enough, now those brave Hollywood Yank Soldiers are going to retroactively save Britain from the Hun as well??!! lol [ 05-10-2001: Message edited by: Mike the bike ]

As a Kiwi, former soldier and amatuer militiary historian I'm like to chuck in my 2 cent's worth. The Gov'ts policy is NOT disarmament. The spending priorities aer shifting to the Army, with new LAV-3's (100 of them - 3 times as many as we had M-113's!), radios & miscellaneous other stuff. The idea is that there is no threat to the NZ Mainland, and that NZ can best contribute to the International peace-keeping/making efforts by sending well equipped and trained ground troops as part of a coalition force (UN, or similar). Such a force would inevitably be based around a core from a larger nation, and would not be there to fight a war but maybe would ahve to fight some limited local actions. Jet fighters are of no use in such a scenario. Transports and Helicopters aer, and both are slated for upgrading and/or replacement. At the moment 1/3rd of the NZ army is overseas on such forces - mainly East Timor, but recently in Kuwait (A NZ officer was killed in the bombing accident there recently) and the Balkans. As a policy it makes eminent sense to me, despite the screams of outrage from various quarters. And it's being backed up by increased defence spending to allow it to happen - the first time for a decade or more that that's happened! It would be nice to be a bigger country with a larger defence budget and to have lots more toys to play with, but I've done my bit in that direction adn it's up to he younger generations to keep breeding now!!

What a good idea Blenhiem - a separate forum for Peng - I vote for it!! [ 05-10-2001: Message edited by: Mike the bike ]

No, they won't be built in.

I believe the 3-d models are hard coded into the game and unalterable, so you will not be able to play CMBO scenarios on CM2 or vice versa.

What sort of PzFaust were they equipped with - a 30? If so then the Wasp is only at their extreme range & maybe tehy just don't fancy their chance of hitting it!

Thanks Philistine & Mk IV for interesting posts!

No Simon - it still pretty slow, so it's only the ordinarily lazy that have no excuse, the terminally lazy still won't bother!!

lcm - why do you think that tank costs should be based solely on their anti-tank capability? Surely their anti-infantry ability is important also?

Nice to see you out of the cesspoll Mr Peng, but the search engine is still broken is it not, and could you please have a shower next time?

Not every allied nation did this Mk IV - Commonwealth practice was to pull out entire divisions.

Absolutely! FWIW the NZ Divivion's DECREASED it's combat effectiveness later in the war, from about late 43 or early 44 in Italy. The soldiers knew the war was being won and weren't quite so keen on taking riskes for the cause. Also new drafts from home were not as experienced as the old desert-veterans they were replacing and weer not as well motivated in the first place.

It's harder to win with whatever I'm using, and easier with whatever he's using!

Thanx Simon - I will!!

Did I say anyone had done it before? No, I do't think I did. And that's why I think it might have a major effect. I asked what might be that effect. For the most part all you guys have said is "It'll never happen", or "It won't make any difference to me", or similar irrelevant comments. You are asnswering some of the supplementary questions that I asked, but there's clearly a failure of imagination out there!! Your comment about the manifesto is also irrelevant, and I'm a little insulted that you think that I'm somehow treading on the hallowed toes of BTS's marketing philosophy and "want something for nothing". What would I be getting for nothing? Another copy of CMBO? Well that's going to help me a lot - oh yes, I could run it twice on my machine! duh!! And it wouldn't cost me nothing because I don't subscribe to the mags so I'd have to buy it anyway!! Sheesh! As far as I can make out you're referring to the bit of the manifesto that rails against the lack of shelf space due to stores having to maintain sales figures at teh expense of lesser-selling but wonderful games, such as CMBO? I don't see anything in this idea that goes against the manifesto. I am not suggesting that they stock the game in shops or anything of the sort. I'm suggesting a marketing ploy to make the game more available and pick up extra sales. Perhaps I'm not understanding you properly on this, but I can't see anything else that comes even vaguely close to being relevant in there. Perhaps you could explain it for me more explicitly? I'm not a marketing person, but you guys are certainly not providing any rational reasons why it couldn't happen either. Sure they can drop the price of CMBO. Or they could give it away for free, which is just a larger discount after all. They will have their reasons for whichever they do, but I don't see why you guys are all so dead set against giving it away? I understand why they wouldn't (none of which is news to me), but I don't understand why you think they shouldn't. Do you think it would mean the end of BTS? If so why/how? Do you think it would have some other negative effect? If so what? :confused:

Hmmm...so you don't think that there'd be any people who weren't impressed enough by the demo who might none-the-less buy the disc for teh full game and get hooked, or anyone who's relatively new to the hobby who might not have heard of the game before, or someone who just didn't have enough interest to download the demo but doesn't mind having a look at the full game if it's easy to install fom disc?

CM2 will incorporate a lot of improvements over CM1 Panzer - it might be the same engine, but there will be bug fixes and command and control features that aer not in CMBO and will not be back-incorporated AFAIK. so CM2 will be an improvement over CMBO. Your second comment really has nothing at all to do with the question Panzer! Here it is again: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Just an idea - what would happen if BTS gave CMBO away in PC-Gamer (& similar mags) a few weeks after CM2 is released?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> No-one has actually bothered to answer it so far - go on, be different, leave the herd, answer what was actually asked!! [ 05-09-2001: Message edited by: Mike the bike ]

Good to see you guys all taking a bit of time out of your busy gaming schedules to think about the subject and make interesting informed comment!! lol

I'm not particularly interested in the technical aspects of the game engine, so I've never paid much attenton to threads and posts dealing with it. I'm a history and wargaming buff, and as long as I like the game I couldn't really care how it works!! As to teh cost of putting a game into a mag - I guess that depends on whether the mag thinks having that game will help it's sales or not. When SPWaW was in PCG last year the newsgroups were humming, and there was a huge upsurge in visible interest - many ppl (incl me) bought that 1 issue just for the game, so PCG got extra business from it too. I'd think that a better way of doing the demo thing would be to have the CM2 demo on a give-away CMBO disk - why would people want to buy an oldr version of the game? Lastly, yes, I know that CMBO is never going to be in bargain bins since it's only sold in-house, but at some stage sales might dip to the "why bother?" point, with or without price reductions. And if they've got to the point where CMBO has paid for itself, generated a useful profit, but the future depends on CM2 then it would make sense to use CMBO to help push CM2. Just my 2 kopecks worth! [ 05-09-2001: Message edited by: Mike the bike ]

I haven't seen anything that tops BloodyBucket's post yet, and I agree with him - the best tank is always the one that my opponent has just used to wipe out my own armour!

AFAIK they were only used by the German FallschirmJager (Paratroopers) as infantry support weapons, adn then only in the earlier part of the war while the FJ still had an airborne role. But I presume they would have stayed in use until worn out or replaced. the 105mm was not very common - there was a more common 75mm RCL IIRC.

Ahh...hadn't hought of that. OK - yes, I'm referring to CM2 "Barbarossa to Berlin", which may have the same "engine" as CMBO, but will still have many different features. If someone want's to refer to a different engine then they neeed to make that crystal clear. [ 05-09-2001: Message edited by: Mike the bike ]

Mannheim maybe YOU should read Gunner's post again!! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Maybe after the release of CMII, but even then I doubt it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Which was repeating the point that I repeated that you commented on that I didn't need to repeat!! Anyway - I don't see the Mods as making CMBO more saleable - I doubt people who are buying it are doing so because of the ability to improve the graphics. I guess it will come down to BTS's perceptions of their own best interests. Perhaps if sales of CMBO tail off after CM2 comes out then they won't stand to "lose" so much by giving it away, and the potential extra client-capture (ie free publicity!) will more than make up for that. I dunno - but it at least seems like a reasonable possibility to me. [ 05-09-2001: Message edited by: Mike the bike ]

Err....gunner....go read it again - I said AFTER CM2 is released already!! And since I've already got CMBO it wouldn't affect me all that much appart from generating more opponents!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by slate43: Anyway, unlike many of Hitlers fantastical and bazaar secret weapons <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hitler shopped for secret weapons in the Mid East??