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I'd try as the Germans first. See how it plays out. May need some more turns added, or whatever. Let me know. Rune

LOL, won't say anything since I want to keep things a surprise. So the Lees are int he grove where I have them. I think it will play out well, will be difficult for the German player. Sent a copy of the scenario to you. Rune

What time should we air-drop the sheep for you? Rune

Actually I had already seen those web pages, which match the German account, the British accounts vary a little. Everything does point to a platoon of Lees near the British position in the olive groves slightly to the NE of the town. You have to ignore their scenario setups, they are incorrect, the railroad running N-S was well east of that position. I have some better maps, and pulled up the area in Google Earth. I posted the scenario to the proving ground to see how it plays out. I expect it to be difficult for the Axis player. Rune

For me... I don't know how you feel about it, but you were male in your last earthly incarnation. You were born somewhere in the territory of modern Alaska around the year 575. Your profession was that of a librarian, priest or keeper of tribal relics.Your brief psychological profile in your past life: Seeker of truth and wisdom. You could have seen your future lives. Others perceived you as an idealist illuminating path to future.The lesson that your last past life brought to your present incarnation: You fulfill your lesson by helping old folks and children. You came to this life to learn to care about the weak and the helpless. Do you remember now? 575, I bet Emry would remember me, he and the Justicar, were around back then. Rune

Oh, and for everyone else, draft 2 now ready for testing...anyone interested? Rune

I read of Colonel Frost's drop that went bad. Also the TD were waving at the p-38s, when they turned around and attacked them. Things had gotten so bad for the Army Air Corp, in all of Africa, they only had 40 P-38s working, and that was it. I will look into getting the book. However, I highly recommend Tigers in Combat I by Wolfgang Schneider. Rune

Jon, John and Kingy, Just sent you a revised version. Hopefully if no one has any other corrections, it will be ready for play testing. One player as German or if two player, stronger player MUST be German, as the scenario is as historical as I can make it. Let me know if any more revisions in the briefings. Rune

John, Confirm where 2/13 was on 2 Dec. I have two maps saying they were just a little west and slightly North of Point 186, which would be NE of the town itself. The rest of CCB was coming up the road to the west, and the remains of Blade Force to the North and NW. Rune

Seanachai you evil little gnome.. Thanks for the Birthday wishes, if they can be called that. My birthday was Friday, and I spent it with my family eating a nice venison hamburger, along with cajun alligator and mass quantities of black and tans to wash it down with. Doesn't get much better then that. New evilness almost ready for testing, doing some last minute adjustments. Rune

That matches msotly with what I have. The differences from the German account, was there were only 3! German tanks and one of them was the havy tank. [trying not to give away spoilers]. The Germans attack went to either side of point 186 to envelope it, and they did run into some American Lee tanks in the olive groves near the Point. The German account has a point blank fight, with the heavy tank taking some hits, but none penetrated. The map on page 41 of Sledgehammers, definitely has 2/13 of the Americans [Lee tanks] in that position. No other German Combat Group was near there. Again, a difference in the records and I note that in the briefing. I took a middle of the road approach. One thing Jon brought up, the AAR I have mentioned they had 2 pdr and 6 pdr guns as anti-tank. What do you show for the at guns? Forwarding you the first draft. Rune

Sent Jon. I note the difference betwwen the official German and official Allied records. All three briefings and the scenario sent. Rune

Slackers, I have a first draft of a new scenario. It features crunchies, North Africa, crunchies, Tunisia in December, crunchies, Brits and Yanks, crunchies and some things that explode. If you have to torture a new serf, this would be the way to do it [but feedback is required]. I'd post this in the other thread, but it seems deader then Joebob's sex life. Let me know. Back to working on things that cannot be mentioned. Rune

Kingfish, Sent... Rune

John, I just sent you the main briefing to see if I got anything wrong. Since there IS a conflict between Allied and German records, I am going with semi-historical. Got the first draft of the scenario done, just have to make the side briefings. Kingfish, let me know if you want to look the briefings over, ditto to you Jon. Rune

Hey John, Still following this? Another question for you, found a map of the battle, 2d Hampshires was to the East of Tebourba, along with part of the US 2/13 Armoured Division. To their South was 1 ES which was the East Surreys, but defending the town itself was 11BR. I see they are listed on a map in an Amry at Dawn, but no mention of them fighting. Which unit was this? Rune

From Tigers in Combat I: 1 December 1942 First employment of 3 Tigers and 4 Panzers III of the 1./schwere Panzer-Abteilung 501 (Hauptmann von Nolde)starting from an assembly area 7 kilometers east of Dschedeidra bringing relief for own forces. (9 US tanks knocked out) The company-commander is killed in action. Oberleutnant Deichmann takes over and destroys 2 British tanks before he himself is killed by a sniper. The after action reports abut fighting in the olive groves was from combat group Djedeida, and from the Book Sledgehammers. On 1 Dec, Comba Group Hudel had no Tigers, Combat Group Koch had no Tigers untill the 3rd, Combat Group Luder had 1, but was not enagaged, amd Combat group Djedeidahad the 2 Tigers, but one had an engine failure. This is certainly a case where the German records do NOT jive with the Allied records. According to An Army at Dawn, Nolde was killed on the 2nd, and indeed attacked the Hampshires on the 2nd. So, I will go with the attack on the 2nd, assuming the Allied records are the correct ones. There were some Lees to the West on 2 December, and may be the ones the Germans hit in the olive groves. The majority of the tank fighting was to the North, along with the ill fated attack by 30 Stuarts. Rune

John, it helps, however I found three sources that state it was not a strictly infantry vs infantry battle. Combat Group Djedeida (german) consisted of: 1 X Para Inf Company 2 X Inf Companies 2 X AA Batteries 1 X Engineer Platoon 1 X TD Co (-) 1 X Heavy Tank Bn 501 2X Tigers 2X Pz IIIL "The attack was carried forward against enemy tanks in the olive groves five kilometers west of Djedeida. The field of fire was very limited in the thick olive groves, Enemy tanks could only be fought at close range. The Tigers were hit by General Lee tanks firing at a range of 80 -100 meters" From Sledgehammers. Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II, also confirmed in Tigers in Combat I. I found the British Infantry was backed by part of CCB, with Lee tanks of 13th Armoured Regiment (US). So anything else you have on the 2d Hampshires will be appreciated, I don't think they were Royal at that time. Obviously working on a scenario for this one. Rune

John, it helps, however I found three sources that state it was not a strictly infantry vs infantry battle. Combat Group Djedeida (german) consisted of: 1 X Para Inf Company 2 X Inf Companies 2 X AA Batteries 1 X Engineer Platoon 1 X TD Co (-) 1 X Heavy Tank Bn 501

1 Dec 1942, Tebourba, Tunisia. Does anyone have the OOB of 2d Hampshires? I know there were Crusdar tanks there, along with American Lees, Shermans, and Stuarts. Anyone have a decent OOB? Rune

Michael, At your age, I find it amazing you don't forget everything anyway! Thanks and hope everyone has a Good New year! Rune

Truer words were never spoken...or typed. Rune

I picked that scenario out of the book because it proves that any General could have a bad day. Rommel ordering the regiment to attack, basically doomed it. People HAVE won the scenario, but I'll admit I was surprised by that. I figured if you try hard, a draw is a good result, or even a minor victory. If you have the book, make sure you read that chapter. Rune

Whoever has the original battle mountain, can you send it to me? I want to make some changes, but lost the scenario in a HD crash. Rune

Oh, and for those keeping score, the Score remains Culpepper 3 ligaments torn, Rune 2. Rune