Dietrich Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I don't mind the close-range urban use of a FlaK 38, which may not or may seem within the boundaries of plausibility/realistic-ness (depending on how many combat accounts one has read). I do mind the comprehensive and unrealistic non-usage of the multiple MG-34s/MG-42s which the German infantry in that scene were carrying. Of course, in WW2 movies oftentimes the GIs have an unrealistically high proportion of Tommy guns (cf. Miracle at St. Anna, in which most of the main GI protagonists have Tommy guns, rather than, say, one Tommy gun and the rest M1 Garands), whereas the Krauts have an unrealistically high proportion of MP40s yet make relatively little use of their MGs. And in BoB, many of the Easy Company guys' grenades had <1-second fuses. (Or were they just that bad-ass that they often let a grenade cook-off before tossing it in? =P) Whereas in SPR, none of the potato-mashers got cooked off, so they could be thrown back the way they came. "Quick, lets retreat across a marsh" And then there's: "It's a whole other company!" "So? They're just charging into the open, and even if they have any MGs they aren't using 'em..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squatdog Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Use of a Flak 38 in an urban close support role is entirely plausible (although obviously not from pointblank range as in the movie). Bringing an open-topped Marder to the fight? No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arm505 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Also, the three rules of portraying fights against Germans - there are always boatloads of them, they all seem to have zero plan or tactical sense, ie they're just mobile targets for the heroic allies, and they must be made to seem evil somehow (merely being the 'enemy' isn't enough) - witness the odd knifefight with the Jewish guy in SPR, the 'saved' guy killing his 'saviour' - unknowingly, but still...maybe I'm just seeing it the wrong way 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Use of a Flak 38 in an urban close support role is entirely plausible (although obviously not from pointblank range as in the movie). Bringing an open-topped Marder to the fight? No. Me guesses the conscript Waffengrenadiers needed to throw everything they had, incl. the famous kitchen sink, vs. the elite US para squad. ...but it´s just a movie and thus has its requirements as Slysniper pointed out nicely. Edit: Somehow the german force composition reminds me of a typical CMX1 QB selection (a bunch of Waffengrenadiers, a Tiger, a Marder, a Flak and a HMG). Are Spielberg and Hanks CM players? :eek: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymru Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Me guesses the conscript Waffengrenadiers needed to throw everything they had, incl. the famous kitchen sink, vs. the elite US para squad. ...but it´s just a movie and thus has its requirements as Slysniper pointed out nicely. Edit: Somehow the german force composition reminds me of a typical CMX1 QB selection (a bunch of Waffengrenadiers, a Tiger, a Marder, a Flak and a HMG). Are Spielberg and Hanks CM players? :eek: Then its a good thing it isn’t based on a CMx2 QB. They would have 20 Marders and nothing else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slysniper Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Somehow the german force composition reminds me of a typical CMX1 QB selection (a bunch of Waffengrenadiers, a Tiger, a Marder, a Flak and a HMG). Are Spielberg and Hanks CM players? :eek: Now, that is funny! But somehow true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 And then there's: "It's a whole other company!" "So? They're just charging into the open, and even if they have any MGs they aren't using 'em..." Where the hell are they going? They're just running back around to the same dike/berm they started on. The explosions are pretty sweet in BoB though, no gas flash mushroom clouds there, it's "real" HE. BFC could learn something from those explosions! They've gone for the exploding flash bang version in CMBN. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 ...vs. the elite US para squad. They were Rangers, not paras. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 They've gone for the exploding flash bang version in CMBN. That's because players, most of whom are familiar with what they've seen in the movies but not with real HE, demanded it. It seems to me though that the explosions in CMx2 are a bit more realistic than in CMx1. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 They were Rangers, not paras. Michael Er, they were Para's of the 101st Airborne. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 That's because players, most of whom are familiar with what they've seen in the movies but not with real HE, demanded it. It seems to me though that the explosions in CMx2 are a bit more realistic than in CMx1. Michael I don't remember anyone demanding crap explosions. I also disagree that the CMx2 explosions are more realistic or better than the old games, but that's a matter of taste I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Er, they were Para's of the 101st Airborne. The guy they were going after was a para. The rescue party were Rangers. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squatdog Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Then its a good thing it isn’t based on a CMx2 QB. They would have 20 Marders and nothing else. If it was, the Germans would spend 15 minutes maneuvering an HQ unit into LOS of the US forces and insta-gib them with an 81mm Orbital Bombardment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 I annoy the hell out of my family members when I get all groggy during war movies. I'm not allowed to speak anymore. Haha. That made me laugh . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killkess Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 My all time favourite of SPR: Sticking a Tommy gun through the drivers visions block of a TIGER and shot the driver All in all a quit typical HOLLYWOOD action movie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 They were Rangers, not paras. Michael oh well.. if it´s just for adding something to your sig, then may it be so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Interesting find from Intelligence Bulletin Vol III, part 9, Jun-Jul45, page 53: "Enemy action started about 0500 with diversionary shelling of the infantry on our left flank. At 0559 the enemy artillery shifted its fire into Captain Stouffer's area, and laid a heavy barrage for approximately 5 to 10 minutes. After the barrage lifted, the enemy patrol moved from its assembly point, and split into segments, as indicated on the accompanying map. Twenty to 25 men, equipped with automatic weapons and five light machine guns, established a base of fire. Twelve to 15 men, equipped with automatic weapons and a 20-mm cannon on a hand carriage mount, constituted the left flank patrol. (Later the 20-mm cannon was discovered to be a 20-mm Flak 38 con- verted to the ground mount.) Twelve to 15 men, with automatic weapons and bazookas, constituted the right flank patrol. Be- fore these elements moved into their positions, they proved ex- tremely proficient at disarming American booby traps, both the prefabricated and the improvised types. ..." The file can be searched here: http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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