Baneman Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Further to my question about when you get a "gunner'd" 251/1 and when you don't, if purchasing, I ran some QB selection tests. It seems you get : Panzergrenadier Battalion Batt Hq : 251/1 No Gunner Coy HQ : 251/3 No Gunner XO Team : 251/3 No Gunner Platoon HQ : 251/1 +Gunner Squads : 251/1 +Gunner Heavy platoon : HQ : 251/1 +Gunner HMG squads 2 per 251/1 : No Gunner ( makes sense as the HMG squads are 6 men each and a dedicated gunner in a 251/1 takes up one of the 12 passenger slots ). Pioneer Battalion Batt HQ : 251/3 +Gunner. Vehicles purchased singly : 250/1 : +Gunner 250/3 : +Gunner 250/1 : No Gunner 250/3 : +Gunner Couple of questions then arise : 1) Since I thought the */3 model is the radio-equipped version, why does the Panzergrenadier Battalion HQ get a 251/1 ? 2) Why is it that the 251/1 is the only version that comes without a dedicated gunner when bought individually ? 3) What is the rationale for the other distribution within the battalions ? I'm not trying to say anything is "wrong" (particularly in the case of Q3 ), but you guys did all the TO&E research and I'd really like to know why. Thanks ( I only ran about 4-5 purchasing tests, so if it's more random, my bad ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 So ... bumping the questions - any takers ? Grogs ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Maybe because there is an element of randomness; i.e. that German units were seldom fully up to TO&E and the units and TO&E's varied so much, that there was not always a guarantee of having enough spare men to man the vehicle MG's. US practice differed, attempting to bring units up to TO&E as soon as manpower and opportunity permitted, where the Germans seemed to go catch as catch can with so many varied elements all competing for the manpower pool. My best guess, anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 The battalion HQ 251/1 wasn't a radio vehicle, it was used to carry cases of champaign, looted art and mistresses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 The battalion HQ 251/1 wasn't a radio vehicle, it was used to carry cases of champaign, looted art and mistresses. lol, good answer. Now that makes me want to mod the interior to show the "Fallen Madonna with the big boobies" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 The battalion HQ 251/1 wasn't a radio vehicle, it was used to carry cases of champaign, looted art and mistresses. Now that makes me want to mod the interior to show the "Fallen Madonna with the big boobies" IIRC someone made a mod for CM:SF that added a centerfold to the interior rear wall of the Abrams's turret. Considering what got painted on the exterior of USAAF bombers, I wouldn't be surprised to see a pinup stuck (with chewing gum, I would imagine) to the interior of a Sherman's turret. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 You look at those old wartime pinups and you marvel at how anybody could imagine Betty Grable was sexy. Hedy Lamarr yes, but Betty Grable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Do you think Lt Gruber's little tank was puce on the inside? Maybe with a centre piece featuring his favourite Bistro owner? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 Do you think Lt Gruber's little tank was puce on the inside? Maybe with a centre piece featuring his favourite Bistro owner? Almost certainly But did it come with a dedicated gunner ?!! This is important ! lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 You look at those old wartime pinups and you marvel at how anybody could imagine Betty Grable was sexy. Hedy Lamarr yes, but Betty Grable? Sure, but Hedy Lamarr wasn't photographed from behind in a bathing suit. Also, Hedy Lamarr wasn't blonde. IMHO, Rita Hayworth takes the cake. =) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 So is the lack of gunners in some half tracks a bug? or in accord with to&e? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackcat Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Sure, but Hedy Lamarr wasn't photographed from behind in a bathing suit. Also, Hedy Lamarr wasn't blonde. Hang on! Wasn't Hedy Lamarr the bad guy who tried to drive the citizens out of Rock Ridge so he could make a fortune when the railway went through? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 IMHO, Rita Hayworth takes the cake. =) Ah, lovely Rita! Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Hang on! Wasn't Hedy Lamarr the bad guy who tried to drive the citizens out of Rock Ridge so he could make a fortune when the railway went through? That's Hedley Lamarr! Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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