undead reindeer cavalry Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 yay, this thread will last forever so please type in with your dear input apparatus (keyboard, pad whatever) links to musical pieces related to history and warfare!!½11 preferrably ones you judge to hold some educational value or individual cases you for some meaningless reason find to be valuable personally. i start with Rasputina - 1816, The year without a summer i think this is the most informative educative musical piece i have ever listened to as it awakened me up to the whole subject. it makes me wish there was a song about all the years of recorded history. it's tempting to post ones ranging from Jedi Mind Trics to Bolt Thrower, but i resists. one song per post pls. orly? ya rly! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Played loud every dawn in Tilomar as D Coy went for a run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffsmith Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Al Stewart "Roads to Moscow" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Al Stewart "Roads to Moscow" Good catch! I was going to mention that but didn't know it had made it onto YouTube yet. Shostakovitch Symphony #7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mx5B-UVQsw Look up the story on how this was written and its first performances. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhorse Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 The Trooper 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 There's the above mentioned Shostakovich's 7th (2nd and 3rd part for the really famous bit) Tchaikovsky's Prokofiev's Wagner's <-just you try and not think of helicopers! Carl Davis' The World at War theme 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 There's the above mentioned Shostakovich's 7th (2nd and 3rd part for the really famous bit) Yeah. Sometimes I put the CD on and just listen to the middle movements. They are heartbreakingly beautiful. So, BTW, is the third movement of the 5th. Symphony, which for some reason always reminds me of Omaha Beach. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dietrich Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 The classic sing-a-long for highly intoxicated folk like me. The Blarney Stone by Ween! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted December 9, 2010 Share Posted December 9, 2010 There's the above mentioned Shostakovich's 7th (2nd and 3rd part for the really famous bit) Tchaikovsky's Prokofiev's Wagner's <-just you try and not think of helicopers! Carl Davis' The World at War theme I'm liking those. Predictable, but worth every second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx7XNb3Q9Ek 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 I'm liking those. Predictable, but worth every second: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx7XNb3Q9Ek Vincere, when I clicked on your link I got this message from YouTube: This video contains content from Lionsgate, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. Just out of curiosity, what is the name of the piece you wanted to link to? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 /thread Also: Sure you can say he blatantly ripped off large chunks from Mars, bringer of war from the planets, but I think he did an excellent "remix". And finally, a pretty damn cool heavy metal (I'd say it most resembles Iron Maiden) tribute to the Tempest (the fighter of course): http://tempest.nerdnet.nl/legacy2.mp3 Doesn't hurt that the Tempest is my favorite WW2 fighter along with the 190 . When it comes to looks though... Tempest wins. In IL-2 Sturmovik though they're pretty much on par with each other. Both energy fighters, both have insane firepower, and both have great dive characteristics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Sure you can say he blatantly ripped off large chunks from Mars, bringer of war from the planets, but I think he did an excellent "remix". I wouldn't say "blatant rip-off". The composer admits to making allusions to Holst's work quite simply because it was a piece of music about Romans making war. Zimmer also said that he challenged himself to write the piece in waltz time (I think 3/4). Mars is 5/4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 " But Hans Zimmer copied this theme from Gustav Holst who wrote the Planets Suite, part of which is Mars: Bringer of War. Holst wrote The Planets in the early 1900's. Mars: Bringer of War is considered one of the most influential pieces of the 20th Century. Holst's estate sued Zimmer after the release of Gladiator for copyright of the song, and the estate won! If you haven't listened to Mars - do so as it is unforgettable." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm-M7-AUt6w&feature=related 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Vincere, when I clicked on your link I got this message from YouTube: Just out of curiosity, what is the name of the piece you wanted to link to? Michael Ooops, sorry had clicked your first two and posted The Ride of the Valkyries with choppers, then clicked on your third. I try to make up for it: As much a visual experience as music. But the music lived with for some time after first hearing it as a teen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeman Posted December 12, 2010 Share Posted December 12, 2010 Insofar as the sheer amount of subject matter covered, this one is pretty hard to beat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I actually like Zimmer's "version" better, regardless of how heavily, HEAVILY influenced it is by Mars. It's signifcantly more intense IMO, plus the two songs leading into it "Progeny" and "Wheat" make it all the better (it's seamless transition, you might as well think of it as one song). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 "Holst's estate sued Zimmer after the release of Gladiator for copyright of the song, and the estate won!" I can find plenty of mention of the suit being filed in 2006, but nothing about it ever being resolved. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 If the song was assigned voluntarily to Holst's estate then I doubt there is a recorded legal result - cases lapsed might be where to look. But I am guessing. The quote was off the YouTube link. Here is a interesting thread on Zimmer and he seems to be Edison like in his working arrangements: http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/archive/index.php/t-3971.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Affentitten Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Yes I saw the comment on the YouTube page. But, well I'd prefer to see some really supportable evidence that the case was resolved rather than just someone mouthing off on social media site. My guess is more likely that it never came to court because there were such weak legal grounds. Entertainment lawyers will try anything. It's a numbers game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Have you read the latest link where apparently Zimmer said he had used Mars? Admittedly only a couple of people who watched a certain TV show. How far can you take it? Zimmer assigns the rights the case gets dropped and nobody says anything as part of the settlement - Zimmer hardly wants a court case where he loses and is branded a plagiarist. Holst's estate makes more money. Who is going to rock the boat? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 I would have thought that The Planets would have been in the public domain by now anyway. Musicians have pinched themes and even entire melodic lines since time immemorial and nobody gave much thought to it. "Variations on a theme by..." has been a staple of the classical world for centuries, let alone the use of folk songs. Society has become far too proprietary and litigious. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undead reindeer cavalry Posted December 13, 2010 Author Share Posted December 13, 2010 Al Stewart "Roads to Moscow" this is damn impressive. tanks a tons for providing this link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tagge Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Chris De Burgh, crusader times. Chris has done suprisengly some good songs: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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