Meach Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 But we still love you in spite of your confusion. Michael HAHAHAHA I wonder what kind of look I would get if I ordered fish and chips in a US restaurant and what on earth would I get delivered to the table. One good thing, Coke is Coke no matter where you are in the world A beef patty is a hamburger, which contains no ham? Y'all just trying to add to my confusion now. And the mind boggles at chipped beef chips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Fortunately for you, what we call "fish and chips" here in the US is identical to what you get in your neck of the heath. However, generally there is no newspaper involved. Hamburger supposedly comes from the German meaning "from Hamburg", though it is thought to be an American invention (remember, at one point 1/4 of all Americans were of German ancestry). In Germany the closest traditional dish I can think of is Hackfleisch. The Germans can be so damned literal Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Do you suppose Frankfurters (meaning the citizens of Frankfurt) ever eat frankfurters (meaning the sausages commonly found in hot dogs)? And if they do, is it cannibalism? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf66 Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Do you suppose Frankfurters (meaning the citizens of Frankfurt) ever eat frankfurters (meaning the sausages commonly found in hot dogs)? And if they do, is it cannibalism? Michael I believe Frankfurters are not called "Frankfurters" in Frankfurt - they are called "Wiener" (Vienna = Wien) and in Vienna they are called Frankfurters ... OK ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Hamburgers != Hamburger in Germany. One is pronounced the American way and the inhabitants of the city are spoken roughly like "hahmbuhrgers". They do say "Frankfurters" in there in Hamburg, though. As Hamburgers know, Frankfurter Würstchen are not the same as Wiener Würstchen, it's just that the culinarily challenged Hessians can't tell . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Boy, everybody has it in for the Hessians. They ever do anything right? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paper Tiger Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Hmm... sausage grogs! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwobot Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Boy, everybody has it in for the Hessians. They ever do anything right? Hessians have the very best dialect in Germany, see Badesalz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meach Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Just try asking for Haggis!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Just try asking for Haggis!! Why on god's green earth would you do that? I mean, unless you are a totally twisted, sick pervert or something. Haggis is fit only for clogging drains, and why would you want to do that? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meach Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Haggis is good, mm'kay? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Haggis is good stuff. Nearly as good as Pfälzer Saumagen. If somebody want to talk about British biological warfare, let's start with Black Pudding or Mash&Pie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 You can have so much fun with black pudding though. Before anyone gets ideas, you wait until a foreigner is tucking in then lean over and tell them what it's made from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meach Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I believe they call it blood sausage in Norway....there's a hint, kids. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pamak1970 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Trafficability Movement of tanks was generally confined to the roads. The roads are of rough but heavy construction and have crushed stone bases. Roads, except in mountain areas are built from 5 to 20 feet above ground level and have 45 to 60 degree shoulders. Mountain roads are narrow and winding,with many sharp curves and steep grades, and have no guard rails or fences of any kind. In many instances bridges of insufficient strength had to be bypassed which was generally not difficult in the south. But bypassing often presented formidable problems in the north, where ravines and and gorges of considerable depth had to be crossed. Unfrozen rice paddies could be crossed where there was a firm bottom a foot or so below the sludge , provided that the tanks were not steered in the paddies, but prior reoonnaissance on foot was necessary to determine the depth of the sludge. Tanks could go from one paddy to another if the intervening dikes were not more than 2 to 3 feet high; higher than this, the tanks would dig In, become mired, and often throw their tracks. The rice paddies could be traversed when frozen provided the tanks did not follow in each others tracks, which might cause the solid surface to give away. In an attack demonstration, one M26 managed to climb a 2,000-foot, 30.degree slope consisting of terraced unfrozen rice paddies, but the tank threw both tracks making a slow turn near th8 top. In the north, light snow and considerable ice were encountered; these caused tanks much traction trouble. Tanks equipped with the T81 and chevron-type, steel tracks had great difficulty with skidding and sliding, particularly when trying to negotiate bends. Tanks sometimes kept one track in the shallow ditches of the mountain roads to insure staying on the road. Ths Tank Company of the 17th Infantry, in a road march from Chori to Pungsan, climbed 4,600 feet in 11 miles, with many deep bypasses of 50 to 500 feet. The first tank took two and one-half days to make this trip. Another platoon of the same company had to shovel ice and snow off the road in order to negotiate a mountain pass. The 3rd Reconnaissance Company,'with rubber-tracked M24's found the performance of these vehicles on ice and snow much better than steel tracked vehicles such as the M39. All units had to be careful to prevent an accumulation of frozen mud and snow behind the drive sprocket, which caused many tracks to be thrown." Under the above conditions and in a period of 4 months , X coprs armor units experienced (Figures in parentheres indicate total losses) Cause..................Prior to wonsan landing...............After Wonsan landing Mech failure...........46(1)..............................................54(26) Tank fire.................4(2)...............................................0 Infantry attack.........0...................................................3(3) TERRAIN..................3(1)..............................................17(17) Mines......................9(1)................................................1(1) AT guns...................4(2)................................................3(3) Mortars....................1(0)................................................0(0) Tactical abandoment...0....................................................6 PS (tactical abandoment from other parts of the document seems it does not imply cases of bogging down) Also in page 73 when there is a detailed break down of casualties by unit , it gives only one instance of "terrain casualty" as a result of "bridge failure". From the same document "These figures show the different conditions which confronted tank units in the two areas. In south Korea, 10 percent of the tank casualties became total losses; In northeast Korea, 65 percent were total losses. This was caused by lack of spare parts, the great distances separating many tank units from their ordnance supporting units , and the tactical situation. Many units could have recovered, repaired, or evacuated tanks had sufficient time been available. Many of the terrain losses, a large Item, could likewise have been recovered. It is noteworthy that only one mine casualty occurred in northeast Korea, and that only seven of the losses resulted from direct enemy action. The 100 eases of mechanical failure reported are broken down in Table II." Of course it is quite likely that those types of reports do not capture the cases of mired vehicles recovered by other tanks for example of the organic unit. I assume those "terrain casualties" were of the type where it was nessesary to call special recovery vehicles which recorded the "job" and became available as a statistical number of studies like the one presented here. Still , it gives an idea ( minimum thershold) of terrain casualties under the ciscumstances described above. The way i see it, terrain casualties in this case is a big percentage. mech failures appear in about 100 cases (and of course again we are talking most probably about serious enough mech failures which require special action outside of tank crew corrective actions). terrain failures appears in 20 cases. There are similar data for other units and that is why i pointed the link so that members can dig into it and try to establish a rough idea about trafficability and tank losses. By the way, there is another link in a US (modern) manual which gives Probability of traverse of certain types of terrains. However it does not link this probability to factors like distance traveled). It basically treats the terrain as either negotiable or not depending on soil characteristics, moisture and so on. Since the measurement of such characteristics inserts a measurement error, this creates a probability (together with the vehicle characteristics) regarding the ability to traverse the terrain by the examined vehicle). I did not post this link cause i do not think it is very helpful (although it appears at first glance to give the "ultimate answer"). However after close examination it is obvious that under this treatment the probability of traversing a certain type of terrain is the same regardless if the length of the path is 10 or 100 miles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noltyboy Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why on god's green earth would you do that? I mean, unless you are a totally twisted, sick pervert or something. Haggis is fit only for clogging drains, and why would you want to do that? Michael Oi we shall have less of the haggis baiting!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempV Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 A new company/battalion level wargame is under developement now: [commercial link deleted] Developers are Graviteam who did T-72: Balkans in Fire and Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942. Personally I liked Steel Fury very much (it's really authenic tank sim which is rare thing nowadays and it's one of best sims ever made) so I'll look for their new project. Pity it seems there won't be multiplayer mode for the first release of Kharkov 1943. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I am doubtful that K43 will depict batttalion-level combat well. I would be (pleasantly) surprised if they pulled it off. But I agree fully that K42 is the best "old-school" tank sim since... ever. I thoroughly enjoyed peeking out over the top of my commander's protective plate trying to spot ATGs, other tanks and infantry. And it is hand's down the best depiction of actually being inside a vehicle in rough terrain I've seen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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