Copper Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Will there be any updates with smoke on the battlefield in the CM Normandy or even in CMSF. Currently smoke put out by vehicles,infantry and arty is done well. It drifts with the wind and thins out the further it drifts. Burning vehicles on the other hand has the smoke go straight up into the sky. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVulture Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Will there be any updates with smoke on the battlefield in the CM Normandy or even in CMSF. Currently smoke put out by vehicles,infantry and arty is done well. It drifts with the wind and thins out the further it drifts. Burning vehicles on the other hand has the smoke go straight up into the sky. The smoke from burning vehicles also moves with the wind, and disperses over time (as it rises up). But, just as in the real world, smoke from a hot fire tends to go up very fast too, driven by the updraft from the heat generated by the fire. While smoke from arty missions etc. have no such updraft driving them up (and obviously are meant to stay at ground level to make them useful). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Yes, but still smoke columns seem a bit unatural in CMSF, being too straight and not dispersed enough. In reality smoke from burning vehicles isnt that uniformed : 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 I think vehicle fires could do with a bit more of a horizontal, billowing component. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Scenario designers tend to avoid strong winds in CMSF because it messes so much with ATGM flight paths. So you don't often see the effects of strong winds in the game. You want to see horizontal smoke columns, but do you also want your smoke screen to immediately dissipate and none of your RPGs hit their targets? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handihoc Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 You want to see horizontal smoke columns, but do you also want your smoke screen to immediately dissipate and none of your RPGs hit their targets? QUOTE] Why not? Obviously, relatively extreme conditions would have to be used sparingly, but if they realistically depict possible realworld conditions, I see no reason to exclude them. One of the many enjoyable aspects of the CMx1 serious was the variance in weather and prevailing ground conditions. Presumably it will play a significant role in CM Normandy etc, and will surely be included in Shock Force Europe when it arrives? It doesn't play a very large role in Shock Force, but I wouldn't object if, just occasionally, I found myself obliged to fight in a sandstorm or winter shower. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Strong wind is like moonless overcast night, unfit conscript troops, or IED cars coming out of nowhere. The game can do it, its fun occassionally, but if it pops up too often it starts to get a bit annoying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 One of the many enjoyable aspects of the CMx1 serious was the variance in weather and prevailing ground conditions. Presumably it will play a significant role in CM Normandy etc, and will surely be included in Shock Force Europe when it arrives? It doesn't play a very large role in Shock Force, but I wouldn't object if, just occasionally, I found myself obliged to fight in a sandstorm or winter shower. We already have strong winds in CMSF, it's just scenario designers don't use them at all. The higher haze settings can be used to simulate a dust storm. But really, it's not terribly fun to play that way. I'm probably going to take some **** for saying this, but actually depicting the dust and coming and going visibility of a dust storm graphically would probably make it a bit more palpable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 My complaints are mostly for the quality of smoke visuals, not about the lack of strong winds. Even with a strong wind smoke does not behave like in MikeyDs picture, straight and thin like a tube. And anyway, you dont need a windstorm for properly dispersing smoke from burning wrecks! Better Fire/Smoke FX, should be a priority in the graphic improvements list in CM:N. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanker15 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Better Fire/Smoke FX, should be a priority in the graphic improvements list in CM:N. It already is according to BFC on one of the WW2 CMx2 threads. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryphon Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 It already is according to BFC on one of the WW2 CMx2 threads. proof, or it didn't happen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanker15 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=86397&page=2 "Better effects for burning vehicles is something planned, though I don't know when we'll get it in." He didn't say it was a priority but it's in the pipes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copper Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 That sounds great. I'm sure this has been brought up before but will CM normandy bring in burning buildings,grass,brush ect? Or even to that matter spreading fire from burning vehicles? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanker15 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I guess it would have to with flamethrowers being present. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copper Posted March 22, 2009 Author Share Posted March 22, 2009 Oh yes, thats right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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