Apocal Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I noticed that 155mm smoke can cause casualties, but is that just due to the impact of a shell hitting at terminal velocity or is the casualty-producing aspect of WP simulated? Also, no shake-and-bake WP/HE missions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I would expect it's the simulated effect of WP. Have you ever tried popping vehicle smoke with friendly infantry in front of the launchers? Not a good way to win friends among the ground pounders, as it turns out. It can even damage vehicles! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonm Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Well "smoke" comes in a lot of flavours. You mention 155mm so I gather you are referring to artillery delivered smoke (as opposed to vehicle smoke produced by Multi Barrelled Smoke Grenade Dischargers as mentioned by Elmar). Artillery smoke can either be the cooler "base ejection" smoke that has a carrier shell that travels ballistically and dispenses smoke as it flies over the area to be obscured. The other option for Artillery is WP. Vehicle smoke (from grenades, not exhaust) can be either WP or "multi spectral" (i.e. TI defeating). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I don't know about flavors, but I've noticed three types: Black: primarily Red forces Brown: self defense smoke grenades by Blue vehicles - IR blocker. White: artillery (Blue?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 I believe the brown is red phosphorus. Thanks for all the info though. I never realized vic smoke could damage friendlies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 There is a difference between mortar and 155mm artillery smoke. Artillery smoke is patterned after WP so the cloud tends to rise more quickly than the cool ground-hugging HC(?) smoke for mortars. At least it did the last time I checked. In the past I've run my men through a smke screen only to find it lift over their heads before they're halfway to their destination! BFC doesn't model the toxic effects. We may have to wait til a WWI title before they try to reproduce chemical attack. HC smoke is no walk in the park either. Sherman HC smoke rounds were a favorite against the Big Cats and anti-tank guns. Get the crew to abandon their posts, and those who didn't often were dragged out of the cloud with bright green hair from the oxodized aluminum! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 There is a difference between mortar and 155mm artillery smoke. Artillery smoke is patterned after WP so the cloud tends to rise more quickly than the cool ground-hugging HC(?) smoke for mortars. Isn't this a bit... backwards? As I understand it, artillery uses more base-discharging smoke shells than WP, while mortars fire quite a bit of WP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonecrusher-17 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Artillery/Mortar Smoke 101: Smoke is delivered in one of two projectiles: Burster and base ejecting. Smoke is further classified as Quick (WP) or High Concentrate (HC) which is non WP All U.S. Mortars now fire only WP smoke. The old 4.2in system did have a HC Smoke round. To the best of my knowledge that round wasn't inlcuded in the new M120 (Need an 11C to tell me if I'm wrong) 155mm (M109, M198, M777) can deliver WP Smoke as both bursting rounds and base ejecting. WPs advantages are its quick time to build, hence the term 'quick' smoke. The M825 'tall boy' WP Smoke uses WP soaked waffers to combine both quick build time and long duration. M825s are base ejecting The HC Smoke is base ejecting, its slower to build but like M825 smoke it lasts longer than the bursting M118 WP smokes. Lots of 'useless' info to win bets at the bar with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Huh! Interesting, I didn't know U.S. dumped HC. HC might've just been worse for you in the long run than WP. Another definicition of 'HC' is the chemical tag hexaclorithane which was mixed with powdered aluminum to make the smoke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonm Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 But remember there are other natures of ammunition coming on line (in the modules not yet published) besides American. Not saying the above information is wrong, but it is important to remember it applies to US smoke ammunition and not necessarily UK or NATO natures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 But remember there are other natures of ammunition coming on line (in the modules not yet published) besides American. Not saying the above information is wrong, but it is important to remember it applies to US smoke ammunition and not necessarily UK or NATO natures. Does the Commonwealth or any major NATO nations differ in this respect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonm Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Yes, that's why I said it. We for example use BE smoke and WP in Artillery rounds (there being stick ROE as to when you can use what). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Bonecrusher-17. Lots of 'useless' info to win bets at the bar with. Thanks for the tip. If I ever bump into you at your local watering hole in the Green Mountains, I'll remember to bet a cheap beer instead of an expensive one Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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