Battlefront.com Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Bugs (and I mean plural, as in three!) in ATI's drives have been identified. There is no easy, 100% way to work around this. However, it can be. Charles is implementing some things that should make these buggy ATI cards accept the standard API user interface calls, which all other systems handle just fine, with little to no impact. More info when we have it. A fix should be available very shortly in the form of v1.02. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wburn Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Good news!! Thanks folks. Wayne 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seba0412 Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 That's cool! But dont forget about nvidia 8800 users. Super game but on my machine it's almost slideshow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesikko72 Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Thanks a lot guys! Hope it will also fix my Intel Pentium 4 / ATI Radeon 9600 slow motion pictures... I'll wait for the next patch and then I'll decide if I should buy a new card... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarball Posted August 5, 2007 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Thanks for the update. I am not certain how you can call the ATI cards "buggy" when the problems seem to be limited to the Vista/ATI combination? Don't you mean buggy drivers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam0t Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Good point tarball Also cmsf can be considered to be a very new game and made with rather small budget. Iam not sure if ATI/Nvidia recieved a copy of the game, so that they could test it properly before release? [ August 06, 2007, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: sam0t ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 The problems with ATI are the drivers and the newer cards. Vista was a "Red Herring" probably because the newer cards are more likely cound on Vista systems. The drivers are buggy, there is no doubt about it. That's because Charles has found three bugs after many hours of figuring out what the problem is. It's very clearly a problem that ATI needs to fix. We will starty lobbying them to correct the three bugs. Hopefully they will be responsive since Charles' work around is not ideal. It works, meaning there are no crashes or major slowdowns with mouse behavior, but clicking can sometimes be inaccurate. That's the best it can get for now. The final round of testing on v1.02 is being conducted now. It should be available within a day or two. Thanks for hanging in there! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiloAlpha4 Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 lol what's the explaination for the crazy crashes with win xp pro and not a new ati card then ? happy I tried the demo first this time hehe ps ALL software has bugs, even your guy's games so.... :eek: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wburn Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 I'm curious if the ATI drivers are buggy, would it be better to pick up an nvidea card? If so what would battlefront, recommend to run CM-SF on Vista AGP and PCI-express? Cause i would really like to be able to run the game and not have to worry about bad performance, crashes etc, using ATI vid cards. It's bad enough having Vista and opening everything as administrator. Wayne 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 KA4, Check the link down at the bottom of my post and hopefully one of the things listed will help you out. Wburn, nVidia has its share of driver problems too, however it is my personal belief that they tend to have fewer problems than ATI overall. Having said that, we have a problem with some nVidia cards at the moment that need to be worked out. In particular the 8xxx family of cards. Charles will hopefully get that fixed up soon as we have a new system with an 8800 card on its way to him right now. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peleprodigy Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 The fact that you guys don't even have an 8800 card makes me fear that issues with that card won't be fixed in the ensuing patch. bummer if true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wburn Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Yep tried those solutions I'm just going to have to wait for a solution isn the form of a patch. Wayne 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofke Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 i'm using the last omega drivers for radeon mobility 9700 series 128 mo with AMD64 3200+ (laptop xp pro) for me the game runs more smoothly with omega drivers than the "official" ati drivers (gain 3 to 5-6 fps) http://www.omegadrivers.net/ati.php have a nice day 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarball Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Originally posted by Battlefront.com: The problems with ATI are the drivers and the newer cards. Vista was a "Red Herring" probably because the newer cards are more likely cound on Vista systems. The drivers are buggy, there is no doubt about it. That's because Charles has found three bugs after many hours of figuring out what the problem is. It's very clearly a problem that ATI needs to fix. We will starty lobbying them to correct the three bugs. Hopefully they will be responsive since Charles' work around is not ideal. It works, meaning there are no crashes or major slowdowns with mouse behavior, but clicking can sometimes be inaccurate. That's the best it can get for now. The final round of testing on v1.02 is being conducted now. It should be available within a day or two. Thanks for hanging in there! Steve Thank you Steve, that seems reasonable. For the record, I have an ATI card based on their R580 processor (released January 2006). The brand-name for this graphics processor is the Radeon X1900XTX (512 Mb video memory, 650 processor clock, 775 memory clock). Since this processor predates Vista retail by a year, I am not certain if this qualifies as a "recent ATI card" or not. The drivers obviously have OpenGL problems, so I hope ATI steps up and works with you. Otherwise, I guess I'll go back to nVidia after nearly 10 years with ATI. Looking for forward to a fix. I am sorry that you guys had this one slip through the cracks, I am not sure if you would have held up release if you had of known about this Vista/ATI problem, but you certainly would have known how "no go" this situation is. Jeff 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarball Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 Originally posted by peleprodigy: The fact that you guys don't even have an 8800 card makes me fear that issues with that card won't be fixed in the ensuing patch. bummer if true. The truth is, and by their own admission, Battlefront just doesn't have the resources to do exhaustive hardware compatibility testing. We can either see a hike in the retail price (these guys would have to spread the costs of professional testing across all units sold in order to make their own earnings projections), or we can live with how it goes down now: the first several release versions end up being an extended beta. A guy like me was too stupid to have learned from previous experience that pre-ordering a Battlefront title is a no-no. I should have waited a few months until the game was stabilized. My fault. Now, we could have a more air-tight (but not perfect) game at a higher sticker price, or we can continue status quo. This is the way it's going to be - no wonder so many developers jumped ship to consoles - in fact, I wonder to what extent consoles have lessened quality control at places like ATI and nVidia? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peleprodigy Posted August 8, 2007 Share Posted August 8, 2007 i see the point about exhaustive testing, and hitting every hardware combo imaginable (which is impossible). that is one thing. but i do think it seems reasonable that they would at least try the game out on a system using the lowest cost member of the current generation of video cards. that would not be under my definition of exhaustive, but rather seems bare bones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atacms Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 Still not able to play even with the ATI 7.7 drivers, the dual core optimizer and CMSF's latest patch. My problem is one of constant screen flickering to the point that I have a constant strobe effect that gives you a headache trying to get to the exit option. I usually give up and go to Task Manager and shut it down manually. Can anyone help or am i doomed to : 1. wait and hope for the next patch 2. request a refund? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikoyanPT Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 atacms what is the grafic card you are using ? Hard to help without knowing your sistem specs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmeoffe Posted August 12, 2007 Share Posted August 12, 2007 good luck getting help from ATI, i have a AMD64X2 3800+, win XP PRO SP2 ATI x1600 PRO and send at least 5 error reports a week to ATI about thier crashing graphics card and/or drivers, and thats only the ones that were recoverable. I get crashes just sitting idle in desktop and got one while writing the 1st draft of this. Any... way...i like the game and look forward to more hours enjoying it and frustration with AMD/ATI .......................... never doubt that a small group of dedicated people can change the world, because often that is...................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atacms Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Originally posted by MikoyanPT: atacms what is the grafic card you are using ? Hard to help without knowing your sistem specs. I've got: Vista Ultimate 32 bit ATI X1900 All in wonder 256MB card ATI/AMD 7.7 drivers dual core AMD x64 4200+ 2.2ghz 4 GB of RAM 250GB hard drive 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wburn Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Just wanted to thank Battlefront for the patch the game runs great with windows Vista and my ATI 850x card. I've played two scenarios and haven't had any problems with a CTD or freezing. Thanks, Wayne 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruutana Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 My menu is somewhat crazy, button appear and disappear, and my big interest, the scenario editor cannot be used beacuse icons and button disappear from time to time. And also (i play 1.02) the shadows are very buggy in action... I have radeon x1950xt. Anyone else have this annoying menu bug? edit. I have newest drivers and so on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuehlmaus Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 In the scenario editor are buttons? I mostly have a black screen there. When the mouse is moved, then they flickering appear. This also happens to main menu sometimes. The ATI ETQW hotfix for x1950 has improved it, but still it is not stable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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