Grenade Launcher Gods

[Hev]

Whats the deal with the us m203 grenadiers? all the time my grenadiers are opening up at ranges in excess of 300 meters.

ie: In the ATGM scenario, i had loaded my squads with javalins and got them onto the left hill in a defilade. I then manouvered them into a possition to engage the enemy atgms with my own missiles and told them to fire.

practicly everytime my grenadier will open up on the target, and that can be at 350 meters, is this a targeting bug or what?

[Splinty]

I just picked up my M203 (not being a smartass, I'm in Baghdad)and looked at the side sight. The max range it's set for is 400 Meters. The leaf sight on the front is set for 300.

[Statisoris]

How good are you with the M203?

[John Catsack]

What's the farthest target you've hit with it.

[Mishga]

Is there a lot of recoil from the launch?

Is there really a HEAT type grenade for armoured targets?

Is it the same attachment that UK troops now seem to have attached to SA80's?

thanks in advance

[SgtMuhammed]

I used to be pretty good with it. I have hit vehicle sized targets at 300+ meters.

There is not a lot of recoil but if you fire it from your bicep you will get a nice bruise. You can hold it unbraced and still maintain control.

I seem to recall a HEAT round but I may be thinking of just the Mk19.

[Mishga]

Are we talking BMP sized vehicle or M113 sized vehicle at 300m?

Either one that's impressive. Just judging wind conditions is hard enough I imagine?

[Hev]

To Statisoris and John Catsack,

Are you asking me that question or splinty?

[SgtMuhammed]

Originally posted by Mishga:

Are we talking BMP sized vehicle or M113 sized vehicle at 300m?

Either one that's impressive. Just judging wind conditions is hard enough I imagine?

BMP front silhouette. If there is more than a slight crosswind then hitting anything at that range is pure luck. The round is so big and slow that the wind will take it for a major ride.

[Mishga]

Good shot!

[Hev]

So how far can the nade actually go, its max range in no winds.

[SgtMuhammed]

Around 400 meters.

[SgtMuhammed]

The guys in CMSF should be equiped with the M320 which has a range of up to 400 meters against area targets.

I would guess that it would retain all the grenade types including the HEDP round of the 203.

Has anyone used this yet? How is it? They didn't even have this on the horizon when I was in.

[Hev]

Cheers for the response dude

[RMC]

Hmm. In CMBO I used to see Bazooka men making hail mary shots at max range all the time. I always wondered what calculations the game was making to get those guys to take the long shots. Whatever it is may have carried over to CMSF.

[flamingknives]

Originally posted by Mishga:

Is there really a HEAT type grenade for armoured targets?

The basic grenade, AIUI, is a HEDP (Dual purpose) round, which is a shaped charge (HEAT) with a fragmentation jacket.

Is it the same attachment that UK troops now seem to have attached to SA80's?

No, that is an AG36 derivative, made by Heckler and Koch. It is, agian AIUI, largely the same as the proposed M320 weapon.

It differs primarily in that the breech opens by pivoting the barrel to the left rather than sliding forward. Max range is stated to be 400m.

[Splinty]

The farthest I've hit a target is 300m. That was a bunch of wooden silouettes representing troops in thr open. I've only used the shotgun rounds in combat. That was back in Desert Storm. They're quite impressive, but the Army in it's infinite wisdom removed them from the inventory.

[Mishga]

Originally posted by flamingknives:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Mishga:

Is there really a HEAT type grenade for armoured targets?

The basic grenade, AIUI, is a HEDP (Dual purpose) round, which is a shaped charge (HEAT) with a fragmentation jacket.

Is it the same attachment that UK troops now seem to have attached to SA80's?

No, that is an AG36 derivative, made by Heckler and Koch. It is, agian AIUI, largely the same as the proposed M320 weapon.

It differs primarily in that the breech opens by pivoting the barrel to the left rather than sliding forward. Max range is stated to be 400m. </font>

[flamingknives]

You're a bit behind the times there Mishga.

BAESystems (not British Aerospace anymore) no longer own H&K (management buy-out) although H&K did do the A2 modification work and Enfield no longer exists at all.

[Mishga]

Ahh fair point. FK.

[cltm3]

There is a myriad of 40mm ammo. For CM:SF they only model the HE and HEDP (on page 169 in the manual). The HEDP can punch through 5cm of rolled-homogeneous -armor (aka plain ol' steel).

If you want to see some neat stuff coming on the market, check out MEI. They have everything from medium velocity rounds (to get out past 400m) to a camera you can shoot up into the sky. They also make thermobaric (w/ enhanced explosives) and "double-load" rounds (some genius came up with putting twice as much explosive in yields better results).

http://www.martin-electronics.com/

Would be cool if they modeled the M-32 6 round 40mm launcher. US is in need of a true grenadier troop type. Any Marines have any experience in the field with these things?

[SgtMuhammed]

They got rid of the old M79 because it took a rifle away from two of the squad.

[SgtMuhammed]

I have noticed that the grenadiers in CMSF aren't very accurate. Maybe one in 5 rounds will hit even near the target, most tend to fly over it by several hundred meters.

[SlapHappy]

Yeah, I was surprised by that.

I couldn't help but think that if this weapon system were that damn inaccurate, it wouldn't last more than a couple of months in US inventory.

I think some of this "abstraction" is messing with the 3-d view of what is happening in the game.

[thewood]

Has anyone been able to fire grenade launchers by regular targeting? I have only been able to use area fire.