thewood Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Does the BMP-1 have a ready rack of some kind? I keep watching the ammo count drop on the 73mm gun and every few minutes it increases a few rounds then starts counting down again. Also in the systenm damage box, what does it mean when a system is geyed out. It still has a big green plus, but is greyed out. Couldn't find it in the manual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 For a gun/ATGM, it means that it needs to be reloaded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Is that in the manual someplace. I spent an hour looking so I wouldn't get the dreaded and rude RTFM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 I'm not in the mood to check. RTFM! (and come to tell us when you're done) So I checked the relevant section and it looks like it's not mentioned. So it's an undocumented feature! Thewood, I hereby declare you the guardian of this holy information. Protect the knowledge from heathens and spread it to every firstborn male child in your family. [ August 02, 2007, 08:23 PM: Message edited by: Sergei ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 SOD OFF...guess what that stands for...btw while answering that, could you have been so find as to take a gander at my other question and help program my TIVO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Sorry, I tried doing a Google image search for 'rack' but then forgot the question... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Try adding job to the search. hows the programming of my tivo coming 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 We may have someone in our secret clubhouse that might have a line on this info. Give us a day... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 I just want to make sure its not a bug. I didn't think the BMP-1 had an autoloader. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buq-Buq Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 It does. Mark 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibsonm Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Yes it does have an autoloader for the 73mm. For the AT-3 some lucky person (the gunner) gets to climb out and attach the new missile to the launch rails (not quite ideal if the first missile misses and attracts some return fire). Also while the turret can traverse 6400 mils (360 degrees) there is a dead spot between 10 and 11 O'clock (where the commander's IR sight is) where the gunner has to elevate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amedeo Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Actually the Maliutka (AT-3) armed BMPs can have the ATGM launcher reloaded from the inside using a small hatch behind the missile rail. The missile's fins have to be extended by hand through the same hatch using a stick. And, for what concernes the 73mm gun autoloader, yes the BMP-1 has one but AFAIK many foreign users just removed it considering it too prone to malfunctions and went with manual reloading. Don't know if this applies to the Syrian Army too, however. Regards, Amedeo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Guys, it is great that you share this kind of info but it would also be great if you provided some sources - for example about loading AT-3. Otherwise, please understand, that it is nothing more than he said, she said And in that case I doubdt anything will change in the game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 So BMP-1 has an autoloader, it is a round carousel. It will put the round into the barrel and push it there. But only for HEAT rounds. HE rounds had to be loaded by hand (*1) The auto-loader was prone to malfunction (*2) ROF (thought it is doubdtfull that it would be very precise at this ROF) was 6-8 rounds per minute (*2) By the book the time to reload the missile was 50 seconds (*3) Sources, all in russian (*1) http://otvaga.vif2.ru/Otvaga/armour-rus-bmp1/a_bmp1.htm (*2) Russian discussion board of former airborn troops. http://desantura.v.shared.ru/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t694-0.html (*3) http://www.wartechnic.ru/rus/ground/armoredvehicles/bmp1/teh.shtml 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Actually BMPs don't fire more than 1 or 2 shots per 60 seconds... I'd like to see some higher ROF at least when there's a very close and still moving target... Not asking for a 73mm spammer (since there aren't so many rounds..) but in hot situation a crew would be prone to spend its ammo reserve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Shaw Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Originally posted by Sergei: Sorry, I tried doing a Google image search for 'rack' but then forgot the question... Crap ... now I need to clean the coffee off my screen. Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 OK, I just checked with former russian airborn guys, who served on BMD-1 (same gun as BMP-1) 1-2 rounds per minute ROF in combat is actually realistic. Also they say regarding auto-loader. Yes they did exist on BMP-1 and on BMD-1 but were mostly dismentaled. Unreliable, risk of injury on BMD-1. And experienced gunner-loader could load just as fast as machine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 So assume what I am seeing is the 73 firing a few rounds and then a pause while the autoloader is replenshed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Dunno. In the real thing autoloader holds all the rounds and doesn't need reloading. Plus, think about it - you are in a heat of a battle, would you spend time reloading it? Or would you rather just load manually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted August 3, 2007 Author Share Posted August 3, 2007 Exactly, thats why I'm asking the questions. Actually, I was thinking if its replenishing an autoloader or a ready rack, it should, on its own, back into cover instead of sendin coax mg fire at a Stryker. Oh well, just have to hope that someday... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amedeo Posted August 3, 2007 Share Posted August 3, 2007 Originally posted by dima: Guys, it is great that you share this kind of info but it would also be great if you provided some sources - for example about loading AT-3. Actually every armour book that describes the BMP-1 tells about the peculiarities of AT-3 reloading. In addition one can find pictures of the actual reloading from the inside in the following books: "Soviet Tanks Today" by S. Zaloga (London, 1983), at page 31 "Otechestvennye protivotankovye kompleksy" by A. Angel'skii (Moscow, 2002), at page 49 Regards, Amedeo P.S. One can clearly see the hatch (here closed) for reloading, directly behind the ATGM rail in this photo of a Chinese BMP "clone": 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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