Hev Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Its realy hard to enjoy this game when this keeps happening! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 As in TOW missile? That doesn't sound so unlikely. I can think of one real-life example off the top of my head - Royal Navy Lynx attack helicopters in Op Telic (Iraq 2003) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondbrooks Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Yeah. That ain't too strange, more like truly bad luck. I know one TOW failure as well from livefire exercises. I don't know how frequently those happens, but they happen sometimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Ok, when your talking about firing wire guided missiles from an aircraft thats one thing, but from a stationary vehicle. And a vehicle that relies on that weapon system as its primary defense against armour! @ Flamingknives You cant realy compare the launch from a helo and an APC. Every move the helo makes could potentialy break the cable. Not so likely from a stationary vehicle. @ Secondbrooks You know of one TOW failure, out of how many launches that youve heard of. If you know of twenty launches that still puts the failure rate at 5 percent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 So you don't think having two failures in a row is at all possible? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 Im not saying it isnt possable, i would have thought tho that its not LIKELY. Of course and as always im willing to be proved wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meach Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 You got hit by the bad luck monster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewood Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 How can we prove you wrong? There have probably been more TOW and Javelins fired at vehicles in CMSF than in all the real wars put together. Also, you say it keeps happening. Thats what I am focused on. I haven't had more than a half dozen TOW failures, yet you say you see it keep happening. So how many times have you seen multiple TOW fialures? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis50 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Originally posted by Hev: Im not saying it isnt possable, i would have thought tho that its not LIKELY. Of course and as always im willing to be proved wrong. Keep playing and maybe prove yourself wrong. Gunz 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gman552 Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I guess I just got lucky, I had three for three successful TOW launches from Bradleys vs T-72s while playing a QB last night. I'm just happy the Bradleys actually launch at all, as before v1.06 they would usually just keep plinking away at the front aspects of Red tanks with the 25 mm gun until a main gun round put an end to the foolishness Hev, Were your launches in wooded terrain? If so, perhaps the foliage interfered with the guidance wires. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellfish Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Were the crews panicky/suppressed? Were the TOWs fired by the same vehicle, or two TOWs from two different vehicles failed? Did they "fail" as in drop way short of the target or did they just miss their target by a couple of meters? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 ok, to be fair, ive seen multiple failures twice. And the last time i had the first misssile plunge into the floor half way to target and the other just sailed over. Ill keep replaying the mission tonight and see what happens over multiple replays. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secondbrooks Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Originally posted by Hev: @ Secondbrooks You know of one TOW failure, out of how many launches that youve heard of. If you know of twenty launches that still puts the failure rate at 5 percent. I know only 6 launches. Those worked well (atleast i haven't heard complaints), this failure happened to guys before us, missile crashed to ground because wires got cut or got loose. This is what i understand as a TOW failure. What you do mean with word failure, that it misses it's target or not able to defeat it's target? Or same thing as me? That could make 7-8 launches which i know, one of them being failure. But overall i don't know that many guys who have been in TOW-squads, so no much possibilities to share experiences about the system, we have quite few of them. Yup. It ain't nice thing to think this happening is real situation, but then again your rifle could fail you, your bullet's fuze might fail you. Mortar round blowing in tube etc. I haven't used it much in CMSF, so i'm not sure, But if i remeber right, it behaves like Javelin at first: fly high and then go down. Which is kinda wrong. [ February 08, 2008, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Secondbrooks ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 The flight profile for the TOW in game is low with a little "hump" just before the hit. Moves so fast in the game now its crazy i wonder if bfc up'd the speed from the previous versions. As it is it looks devestating as it flies. And, after playing the mission again i had no failures! go figure. I mentioned yesturday in another thread this whole "randomness" issue, and even tho i bitched about it, honestly, i want the game to surprise and challenge me so i suppose it does that with "unexpected/unusual" events. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammelman Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 I cant believe people let this kind of stuff "ruin" their experience. Sorry to say, i find it kind of asinine. There are things in life we cannot control, the realism in this game is slightly dependant on how we perceive things in our own lives. It seems to so many people stomp their feet when everything isnt perfect. To expect perfection is ludicris. Things like troops not going through broken walls, people falling off buildings - i understand that - but this is like saying all my bullets didnt hit the target like i thought they would in my own mind, therefore it is broken! So a missle(s) doesnt hit, wow, my world is crashing down. oh noes. Enjoy the game for the sake of the game, not the sake of perfection. Nothing personal, it just gets tiring seeing this all the time. It makes me think i dont want to read the forum cause i enjoy my in game experience. Sure things arent perfect, but really what game is? Maybe i just assume every once in a while i might not win a battle, that happens as a result of circumstances out of my control, things like missles malfunctioning - things malfunction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share Posted February 8, 2008 No, i WAS letting it annoy me (no where near ruining my experience but hey you read it how ever you want) but the discusion that youve jumped on the end of helped set me in the right direction. i dont think anyone stomped thier feet either, i mean, i wasnt watching the whole time but i think i would have noticed that. And do you see how loads of people tried pointing out why i may be wrong to expect better results without using words like ludicris (ludicrous?) or asinine! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellfish Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 A TOW flying over the target is not a failure - it would best be explained as the gunner just missed the target. A TOW impacting halfway to the target could be a failure, or could be that the gunner sneezed or got distracted. No missile is 100% accurate. You're going to miss some of the time. Just be glad you're not forced to use the Dragon ATGM. And the "hump" of the TOW right before it hits the target is the top-attack feature at work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Omenowl Posted February 8, 2008 Share Posted February 8, 2008 Sample size! Damn you and your statistics. I want an opinion that is not backed by objective numbers. My father said hellfires had a failure rate of 5-10% when he was a pilot. I always assumed the failure/miss rate of a TOW was higher. The question is how did it fail? Did it fail to hit, did it fail to explode, did it fail to launch or did it fail to reach the target, did it fail to follow the correct trajectory? How much do you think can be blamed on mechanical failure and how much do you think can be blamed on the gunner? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hammelman Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Hev, I wasn't talking about you so much as the general attitude of players in the BFC forums - this is to a lesser degree than usual since two games just got major patches, and players have been positive about them. You're right though, asinine wasn't the right word, it was a little to much for the conversation. My bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Originally posted by hammelman: Hev, I wasn't talking about you so much as the general attitude of players in the BFC forums - this is to a lesser degree than usual since two games just got major patches, and players have been positive about them. You're right though, asinine wasn't the right word, it was a little to much for the conversation. My bad. Good for you fella, nice to see someone on t'internet taking a reasonable approach 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meach Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 Can I be really annoying and say I have never seen a TOW failure for a long while in CMSF? All my TOW's launched and flew hot and true. I realise now the bad luck monster is stalking me from this point in... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted February 9, 2008 Share Posted February 9, 2008 I think its probably unlikely for TOW's to fail twice in a row repeatedly. If the two-in-a-row thing happens a lot, maybe the game has worked out that the situation your firing unit is in might be likely to cause failures. But I think it would be more likely to see one fail, then a run of good fire, then another fail etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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