Cpl Steiner Posted December 9, 2005 Share Posted December 9, 2005 In a MOUT setting, the ability to have two soldiers aim around the corner of a building, one kneeling and the other aiming over his head, would be very useful. Each such shooter should benefit from at least 50% - 75% hard cover agaist direct fire attacks directed at them. In addition, they would be able to step back out of the Line of Fire and become 100% covered if a lot of fire was coming there way. Grenades would be very effective against them though, as they would be totally exposed behind the building corner. In CMx1 it wasn't possible to simulate this. Units were either in a building or not, and only benefited from the cover the building provided when physically inside it. Any unit that had a Line of Sight around a building corner was 100% exposed to incoming fire unles they were also in some other cover near the building, such as trees rocks. I would like to see building corners being much more useful as cover in CM:SF and CMx2 in general. If I order a squad to the corner of a building, I want to see two men using the corner as cover in an "under/over" configuration", but able to step back into complete concealment if under heavy fire. Any other men in the unit should be in complete concealment behind the corner of the building but able to step out into the street momentarily to loose off a few rounds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nijis Posted December 15, 2005 Share Posted December 15, 2005 Bump. Quite curious about this, as well as using terrain contours -- berms, drainage ditches, raised roads, or undulations in the desert. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northman Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 *BUMP* Having a feature such as this would make a huge difference when it comes to MOUT warfare, and with units now using ridges and such for cover in the upcoming module/patch, perhaps this isn't unthinkable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chainsaw Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Agreed! give us! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 yes please! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Good thread! This picture could make a great motivator for Charles! Best regards, Thomm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlapHappy Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Don't these guys in the picture even understand basic military procedures? Every grunt knows you spread your squad out into a non-supporting line and send the first guy in line straight around the corner of the building into enfilade. Then, when he thoroughly riddled, and in full view of the second "point" man, he too runs out into murderous fire.....repeat ad nauseum. I've seen it time and time again from the AI and who am I to question the genius of the TAC-AI? LOL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpl Steiner Posted August 5, 2008 Author Share Posted August 5, 2008 Wow, 2005! I can barely remember posting this - but I think the point I made is still valid. The corners of buildings are one of the best types of cover available in a MOUT setting. There have definitely been improvements in CM:SF's use of such terrain in recent patches, but there is still much to do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug88 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 So does that make this the longest running thread in the CMSF board's history? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveDash Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 I wouldnt mind seeing a 'sticky' formation feature whereas by when you move your mouse near a building or wall, the cursor changes to reflect the position of the troops in a manner flush against walls and corners etc. This is in other games that I have played in the past and works a treat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 That would be cool Dave. According to Moon the next patch will give us better usage of hill tops and walls and the like, and he has stated there will be some kind of feedback on their position. What that means? I guess we have to wait and see. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 You won't even have to wait long. And yes, this type of behavior (positioning around building corners) is in fact part of the new infantry AI, thanks to the requests of certain beta testers (you know who you are). Incidentally I have just finished taking a streak of screenshots this morning showing how it works for the upcoming Features section of the Marines website. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 You're such a tease... Can't wait bro. This module sounds like it's gonna be fantastic. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Ok, the Tow guys got their juice, where's ours? C'mon Mooo-ooon, I am dyin' over here! Mord 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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