MikeyD Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Good news on the big wheel AC front. The New Orleans based company Textron Marine & Land just put out a press release saying production of the M1117 'Guardian' ASV has been fully restored. By August it should be delivering 48 M1117s per month off the assembly line. Woo Hoo! I've been lobbying for inclusion of the M117. I've got a soft spot for big-wheel ACs (M1117 and Staghound have the same diameter wheels). And I think this is the only vehicle in the (Army) inventory that has both .50 cal and 40mm grenade launcher under armor in a turret. They can't complain they don't have suitable scale plans for the thing - I even emailed them my own 5-view plans based on the manufacturer's drawings! Kinda makes you wonder, who is "Duffy"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Target BRDM Identified On the Way! Ooops! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellros Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Originally posted by sgtgoody (esq): Target BRDM Identified On the Way! Ooops! Yeah... very similar in profile. I expect even more so at night using thermal imaging (which, IIRC, is when most of the friendly fire incidents have happened in the past conflicts). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Wow, Here I was, in my ignorance, assuming all this M1117 clamor was just another type Hummer. How does this thing compare size-wise with a BRDM? Thanks, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 The thing is BIG! Notice the step-thru side door. Its actually got the same armor protection as Stryker - Russian hvy mg (14.5mm?) round at point blank range. Also has the same 40 ft. turn radius as Stryker. About the same layout as the old Vietnam era Commando AC (built in the old Commando AC factory). I can't recall how many soldiers it can carry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 It is a little bigger than the BRDM. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted April 4, 2006 Author Share Posted April 4, 2006 Yeh, like 3 times I've got stats for both vehicles at home. I'll try to remember to write them up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 On the mis-ID front, one Challenger 2 managed to mistake another for an MTLB via thermals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Splinty Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Please stop calling the M113 a Gavin, noone, and I mean noone in the Army calls it that. It's just a 113 to us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 Yeh, I was just being funny. Being amphibious, it was named after the actor who played the captain on the Love Boat, I guess The point of the exercise was tto show how big the M1117 was compared to the humvee and how MONSTEROUS the Stryker is! [ April 05, 2006, 10:19 AM: Message edited by: MikeyD ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtaskagain Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 I saw some M1117s down at Al Asad a few months ago, so theres no question they are used around here. The Strykers I've seen stop through Haditha dam look the size of a house with their add on armor. The 1117 on paper should be a great convoy escort vehicle, but I have no experience with them to comment on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 MikeyD, I thought I was hallucinating at first, being used to the much smaller V-150 Commando. Had never seen the, er, big brother before. Would love to see it in the game. The size comparison chart's useful and amusing. flamingknives, How does anyone confuse an MTLB with a Challenger 2? They don't look remotely similar, they're definitely not the same size, and the MBT has a great honking turret. Regards, John Kettler [ April 05, 2006, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: John Kettler ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I'm guessing thermal sights, long range and expecting an MTLB to be in that area. Something spooks you and you see what you expect to see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted April 6, 2006 Author Share Posted April 6, 2006 "Something spooks you and you see what you expect to see." Yeh, that was Dick Cheny's excuse. How do you mistake a wrinkly old lawyer for a small flying bird? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 So you are against shooting lawyers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Originally posted by John Kettler: flamingknives, How does anyone confuse an MTLB with a Challenger 2? They don't look remotely similar, they're definitely not the same size, and the MBT has a great honking turret. Regards, John Kettler I've no idea, but according to the board of inquiry on the incident, that's what happened. The distance is classified, as it has a bearing on equipment capabilities, but the mis-ID'd Challenger was engaged with two HESH rounds, one of which hit the open commnders hatch. Result: one written-off Challenger, two dead, two injured. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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