Point Based Naval Build Limits

[Edwin P.]

I would like to see build limits for Naval fleets based on a point total, instead of fixed limits for each ship type.

This would give players greater flexibility to wage or respond to a battle for the Atlantic.

Example:

Naval Construction Points: 20

Battleship = 2 points

Crusier = 2 points,

Sub = 2 point

Thus I can build 10 subs (20 points) OR

5 battleships and 5 cruisers (20 points) OR

10 cruisers (20 points) OR

3 Battleships, 4 Cruisers and 3 subs (20 points).

[ January 19, 2007, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: Edwin P. ]

[jon_j_rambo]

At setup? Or player choice at some point? Would this be historical? You could play like a "buy your stuff mod". Buy all your units secretly as Allies. Submit your buys to a neutral mod-maker. Then the axis opponent does the same...buy crap & submit to the mod-maker. Then you play!

[TaoJah]

I would like to see apoint based system for land based units too.

I want the choice to have more corps for Axis to garrison everything instead of more armies to fight in Russia and take cities that I can not garrison anyway.

[Edwin P.]

Agreed, it would give players a lot more flexibility.

Example:

Germany has 30 points for Armies, Corps and Armor

Armor costs 3 points

Army costs 2 points

Corps costs 1 point

Build 15 Armies OR

Build 10 Armor OR

Build 30 Corps OR

Build 10 Corps and 10 Armies OR

Build 20 Corps and 5 Armies OR

Build 5 Armor and 5 Army and 5 Corps

[ev]

I like very much the idea of point build limits.

I would have a point build limit for all infantry units: Infantry Corps, Infantry Army, Engineers, Paratroops, and HQs. And a separate point build limit for all highly industrialized units: Armor, Air Fleet, Air Bomber, Subs, Cruisers, Battleships, and Aircraft Carriers.

[Lars]

Umm, given the build times on ships, I'm not sure that’s a good idea. All the build decisions for capital ships were made pre-war. It was very much a come as you are affair for those.

What I'd rather see is the ability to build the cruisers, subs, and carriers during the game with the mpp cost scaled to strength total. All the BB's were laid down beforehand, so skip them.

i.e. - I can build a 5 point cruiser for X mpps delivered in time Y (scaled to strength), instead of going for the whole fleet thing.

Think this would lead to more ship building. As is, other than subs, nobody bothers.

[hellraiser]

few countries actually bothered to build warships during the war - you need a lot of resources for that and resources were better spent in other areas - frankly, the current situation seems ok for, it reflects the reality quite well.

[Lars]

U.S. built scads. UK bought or converted scads. Was mostly the smaller stuff I was thinking about.

Flooding the Atlantic with 1 str cruisers to detect subs, then bringing in the heavys would be fairly historical.

[Canuck_para]

I find the problem is that the Allies can't build the small cheap sub killing units that they did employ. Canada alone built almost 400 war ships during the war.

[arado234]

If you did that(allowed corvettes etc)you would have way to many units in play.It would take along time to do each turn.I think its scaled down good enough.

[ChrisND]

Not to mention the scale of this game is quite beyond small ships; building a ship in this game is more akin to building a complete task force.