Panzer Ace Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 I just had a Tiger KO'd by a 75mm sherman at a distance of 1650m??? I can see if it was a firefly but man :mad: anyone else experience this sort of thing?? It was a frontal shot too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easytarget Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 sounds like a case of bad luck or good luck if you're the sherman tank commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 [edited] You just learned the one true way that a Firefly is not a 75mm Sherman [ December 12, 2002, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: redwolf ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefly Posted December 12, 2002 Share Posted December 12, 2002 Originally posted by redwolf: A Firefly is not a 75mm Sherman.Quite, its job was big cat hunting, ask Herr Wittmann's ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Moore Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by Panzer Ace: I just had a Tiger KO'd by a 75mm sherman at a distance of 1650m??? I can see if it was a firefly but man :mad: anyone else experience this sort of thing?? It was a frontal shot tooI had 3 Panzer IVH tanks KO'd with frontal hits by Stuart Mark Vs (?) at ranges of ~1000m in the CMBO battle "Meyer's Decision 1." I think the Stuarts had veteran crews...perhaps that makes them good shots? I thought this was due to my bad luck (which I never seem to lack in CMBO ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by Patrick Moore: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Panzer Ace: I just had a Tiger KO'd by a 75mm sherman at a distance of 1650m??? I can see if it was a firefly but man :mad: anyone else experience this sort of thing?? It was a frontal shot tooI had 3 Panzer IVH tanks KO'd with frontal hits by Stuart Mark Vs (?) at ranges of ~1000m in the CMBO battle "Meyer's Decision 1." I think the Stuarts had veteran crews...perhaps that makes them good shots? I thought this was due to my bad luck (which I never seem to lack in CMBO ).</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightblade Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Originally posted by Panzer Ace: I just had a Tiger KO'd by a 75mm sherman at a distance of 1650m??? I can see if it was a firefly but man anyone else experience this sort of thing?? It was a frontal shot too Was it by any chance a weakpoint penetration? It seems to me that each and every armoured vehicle in CM has a weak point at any possible target area. There is a certain chance that this spot is hit and then anything seems to go through and is most fatal for the victim. A friend of mine had a Jagdtiger killed by a Stuart´s peashooter due to a side superstructure weakpoint penetration at 1350m. In one of my games a squad fired their Panzerfaust at a Hellcat´s rear turret and got a weakpoint penetration - just as if there was anything else than weakpoints on a Hellcat... [ December 13, 2002, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: Brightblade ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 There's always at least a 1% chance of weak spot penetration, more if the vehicle has a shot trap. The point here is, however, that the Firefly does not need anything fancy to kill a Tiger. It fires and deal, finito. People should really read the armor spec or the kill chance display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightblade Posted December 13, 2002 Share Posted December 13, 2002 Was it a Firefly? Probably my English is not good enough, so I understood that Panzer Ace doesn´t know what kind of Sherman it was and that he could accept the loss if said Sherman was a Firefly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Ace Posted December 14, 2002 Author Share Posted December 14, 2002 Absolutely correct Mr.Brightblade I would not have an issue with this if infact the culprit was a Firefly, but it was just a measley old cheaply produced 75mm version, no weak point penetration, I guess one of my tank crew let go with a stickhangranite by accident :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Ace Posted December 14, 2002 Author Share Posted December 14, 2002 Absolutely correct Mr.Brightblade I would not have an issue with this if infact the culprit was a Firefly, but it was just a measley old cheaply produced 75mm version, no weak point penetration, I guess one of my tank crew let go with a stickhangranite by accident :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brightblade Posted December 14, 2002 Share Posted December 14, 2002 Maybe my English is not as bad as I thought Of what nationality was that Sherman? If it was American, it might have been one of the Sherman 76 family. With much luck, a normal AP round of the 76mm gun will penetrate the Tigers front armor at that distance, but you need really much luck. A tungsten round fired by a Sherman 76 will easily penetrate a Tigers front armor. If it was only a vanilla Sherman, British or American, your explanation seems to be one of only very few possible [ December 14, 2002, 10:57 AM: Message edited by: Brightblade ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KG ThorsHammer Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 if it was a regular old sherman, than fate was just against your Tiger. If it was an upgunned sherman, it would still be rare at that distance, unless it fired a tungsten round. If it was a firefly, than It would be very possible. If one checks the armour penetrating stats of the Tigers 88mm vs the Fireflys 17 pounder in the game, the Fireflys gun actually has a better AP performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Moore Posted December 15, 2002 Share Posted December 15, 2002 QUOTE]Thin turret front and no model of undersize turret. Don't people study the armor stats anymore? P.S. post spoilers for info like the above.[/QB] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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