Barleyman Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Ooh, I get to be the 1st CMBB demo is, well, slow. This on a </font>1GHz Athlon</font>Via KT7 </font>512MB PC133 RAM</font>Radeon 64MB DDR</font>1024x768</font>W2k </font>My box runs CMBO just beautifully.. CMBB, however, reminds me of how it was on my old AMD K6/500.. As I recall, CMBB does not make any use of GFX HW. The only upgrade to make things faster should be new CPU and maybe new mobo + DDR ram.. What makes things tricky is that every component is rather cheap on it's own (CPU, Mobo, RAM, GFX), but they add up.. And a faster CPU requires a new Mobo requires new RAM! So anyone running the beast with fast (~XP 2000+) CPU and not-so-fast GFX card (Geforce, Radeon, G400) .. How is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 For me the CMBB demo runs...well... fast. With unlimited horizon, EXTREME! trees etc. -400MHz G4 -320MB ram -16MB Rage 128 -OS 9.2.2 Poor Poor you. You need a mac my friend, a MAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussi Köhler Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 I dont have similar probs and Im on a slower system (?) than you: 900MHz Athlon Abit KT7A 256MP PC133 RAM Geforce4Ti4200 1024x768 WinXP Pro I havent notice ANY difference with my speeds compared to CMBO... How is your antialiasing??? Jussi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barleyman Posted September 1, 2002 Author Share Posted September 1, 2002 Hmm.. Antialiasing is off.. And yeah, your spec is pretty close to mine. Even calculating turns takes a lot longer than in CMBB. So maybe it is the GFX card, old radeon is a lot slower (1.5-2x difference in game FPS with same cpu) .. But this shouldn't affect how long it takes to calculate turns? Erm, I just placed an order on a new mobo + some DDR memory, maybe I should swap that for a more speedy gfx card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmatt Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 That doesnt sound right, the system you have should be quite capable of running CMBB, something else seems amiss. Madmatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THumpre Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 I've got what i would consider to be a fairly decent machine and the only thing I have noticed is that the movement animation is jerky. I've tried turning down the trees and the doodads, but it doesn't help all that much. I figure my weak link is my graphics card....maybe I'll upgrade 2.4 P4 512 mb Ram Geforce3 t200 64mb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barleyman Posted September 1, 2002 Author Share Posted September 1, 2002 Ok, I found something. Check this out: Start Yelnia scenario as Germans, extreme trees, blah blah. Try scrolling back & forth (works reasonably quickly for me). Now select any infantry unit and try again. Much slower. Bring up the info screen for said unit. Way way slow! Gotta try if this works with calculating turns too. Oh, default camera angle (but this works on every zoom level) .. Tree coverage blabla does not do anything. I tried this at setup, without covered arcs or anything. [ September 01, 2002, 11:19 AM: Message edited by: Barleyman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barleyman Posted September 1, 2002 Author Share Posted September 1, 2002 Just for comparison, I tried big CMBO scenario (Into the east). With my heavily modded CMBO setup, the base framerate was at least 2x and there was no perceptible slowdown whatsoever after selecting units and/or bringing up the stats screen. Please fix or do somefink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Panzer Boxb Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Not a single hitch with my rig. Dual Athlon MP 1900+ VisionTek Geforce4 Ti4600 1GB PC2100 RAM Windows XP Professional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Originally posted by Panzer Boxb: Not a single hitch with my rig. Dual Athlon MP 1900+ VisionTek Geforce4 Ti4600 1GB PC2100 RAM Windows XP ProfessionalHow about you DP Mac(s) & your Cinema Display(s)? Funny enough CMBB runs even better than CMBO on my Mac. Gyrene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barleyman Posted September 1, 2002 Author Share Posted September 1, 2002 Maybe it'd help if I'd buy BFC some cheap ATI knock-off card.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agua Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 I'm experiencing a little jerkiness as well when I'm simply scrolling around the map from level 3 view and lower. It really is very, very slight, but I shouldn't be experiencing it with my rig given the size of the maps. I have all effects maxed out. 2.2 Ghz P4 2 GB PC-800 RDRAM (non-ecc) Abit TH-7 II R 133 Mobo 2 60 GB Maxator 7200 RPM (ata-133) HD (RAID"0"). Visiontek Ti-4600 GeF 4 (128mb DDR) (anti-aliasing 4x) - (whatever drivers were released around August 7) XP Pro Audigy 5.1 Platinum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barleyman Posted September 1, 2002 Author Share Posted September 1, 2002 FWIW, I played around some more and noticed selecting either mortar or an ATG does not hurt scrolling speed. Anything else I've tried from squads to FOs hurts things. A bug is a bug is a bug is a bug? No, it's not a slight slow down, more like 1/2 speed with unit selected vs no selection. With stats box open, FPS goes down to about 1-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaylord Focker Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 I've noticed the turns take longer then in CMBO as well, here are my specs, Pentium 4 1.8 Geforce 4 ti 4400 512 mb rd ram ecc P4t-e mobo Santa Cruz sound card WInXP Home [ September 01, 2002, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: Gaylord Focker ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agua Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Same here with regard to a relatively long time for the blue bar to finish loading as compared to CMBO for comprable sized scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Funny, CMBB demo works great on my 300Mhz G3, 16MB VRAM. [ September 01, 2002, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Panzer Boxb Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Originally posted by Gyrene: Well, up until a bit ago I was unable to get the Mac demo so I was using my awesome Mac setup for getting the PC demo distributed. However, there are now two new mirrors (see the appropriate thread), one for broadband users and one for dial-up. Third mirror is toast for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNoobie Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Aqua you have a monster machine technically everthing should run smoothly right? Barley:i almost have the same specs as you and have experienced lag especially the Yelnia scenario...i tried to play as Germans and its way to slow....calculating turns is a pain in that scenario.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agua Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Originally posted by MrNoobie: Aqua you have a monster machine technically everthing should run smoothly right? Yeah. The jerkiness while scrolling around the map is very slight, but approximately the same as I experience in a heavily wooded 5000 pt assault QB with augmented forces for the attacker. It shouldn't be acting like that in scenarios of this size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Hello, In scenario #2 (the medium one), the only slowing down I experienced was when I was near the big wheat field on the soviet side of the map. I have quite a good system, with the exception of the graphic card. AMD 1.4GHz (thunderbird) 512Mb RAM 3D Prophet SE, 32Mb (Geforce 1 chip ) Win 98SE All in all, CMBB works well. I had some freezes and returns to desktop, but I just deactivated directX gestion of the AGP (I know, it's weird but it's the only way to solve my 3D problems...) and all was OK. Sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSulo Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 I haven't noticed any fps-slowdowns on my P3-800. GF3 ti500, 1152*864, NO AA. Something that IS slow, much slower than cmbo, is the "turn calculation". Are there much more going on now than in cmbo? I dread playing really big scenarios with the full game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrNoobie Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 i never liked playing huge maps...i cant keep up with the units though i do play em if i have the time ....but yeah if im having slowdowns on a medium map then theres no way im playing a huge map on CMBB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barleyman Posted September 1, 2002 Author Share Posted September 1, 2002 I figured it out. There's a bug in CMBB and/or Radeon's drivers. What you have to do, if you're experiencing extreme slowdowns is to disable "Z-Mask" feature. Go grab a good Radeon tweaker. You'll find the setting under Direct3D stuff, right at the end. You might want to create a profile that runs every time you run CMBB demo. Turning Anti-aliasing on helps as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfe Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Originally posted by Barleyman: I figured it out. There's a bug in CMBB and/or Radeon's drivers. What you have to do, if you're experiencing extreme slowdowns is to disable "Z-Mask" feature. Thanks Barley! You rock. That slow-down was hideous. I just knew my Radeon 8500 didn't suck that bad! - Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGMB Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Pretty smooth: 466 G4 OS9.1 16meg ATI 512 ram... (Getting a 64 anyway!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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