Louie the Toad Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Some time ago Franko put an option on Franko's True Combat Rules: Only order your troops to move. Let the AI do the aiming and firing. Has anyone else tried this? You can lead a man to the enemy but you can't make him fire ..... Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 It is very, very seldom that I give firing orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 WOW! I can't imagine not telling my troops when and where to fire. I would go nuts just sitting there not being in complete and total command. Having said that I might just try it tonight but I bet I don't get to turn 4 without taking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fionn Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Aye, I rarely select targets either. About the only times I select targets are when I want my ATGs or tanks to hit specific enemy vehicles... Sometimes sharpshooters too. The infantry etc I leave to the AI. It does a better job most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted June 13, 2002 Author Share Posted June 13, 2002 Fionn, Have you found any difference in town/city fighting? Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMsoldier Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Same here, i found that a rarely give orders for a unit to fire. Unless i situation came up, like in my last game, when i had a squad that was getting shot at by an infantry gun, but was shooting at an enemy squad, i ordered my squad to fire at the inf gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Fionn: Aye, I rarely select targets either. About the only times I select targets are when I want my ATGs or tanks to hit specific enemy vehicles... Sometimes sharpshooters too. The infantry etc I leave to the AI. It does a better job most of the time.Unfortunately, this is not terribly representative of how British fire discipline worked, Fionn. The TacAI does not co-ordinate a platoon's fire, as would have occurred in real life, instead it has each section firing off in all directions. In real life, the platoon commander directs his platoon's fire as much as possible, using it as a co-ordinated instrument to suppress the enemy. I also dislike the way the TacAI will set priorities - shooting at say, an AT Team its observed over 500 metres away rather than the infantry section 100 metres away or the tank 1,000 metres away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Fionn: Aye, I rarely select targets either. About the only times I select targets are when I want my ATGs or tanks to hit specific enemy vehicles... Sometimes sharpshooters too. The infantry etc I leave to the AI. It does a better job most of the time.Exactly. The AI is almost always better at selecting targets... oh, and I never interfere with my sharpshooters (they never listen anyway ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimorocca Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 I countermanded only illogical fire orders for the tanks, when I can see'em, or when the AI seems unaware of the best tactical opportunity like the rapid fire of the 37mm against bunkers. Massimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 The `target' order is gamey and should be removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindan Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Rollstoy: The `target' order is gamey and should be removed.Sure. Best we remove all other orders too. Just do the setup and klick go. Then watch the game in one long movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Berlichtingen: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Fionn: Aye, I rarely select targets either. About the only times I select targets are when I want my ATGs or tanks to hit specific enemy vehicles... Sometimes sharpshooters too. The infantry etc I leave to the AI. It does a better job most of the time.Exactly. The AI is almost always better at selecting targets... oh, and I never interfere with my sharpshooters (they never listen anyway )</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
platoon_incap_monkey Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Sure. Best we remove all other orders too. Just do the setup and klick go. Then watch the game in one long movie. Wouldnt actually that be cool?...To see the whole battle when you had finished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 When I played "Its All Too Serious" vs. the AI, a turn ended right as I (as defender) was about to spring a nice L-shaped ambush on 1.5 Platoons. I experimented a bit and found that I got much better kill results on the ambush by targeting the enemy myself (by concentrating fire on fewer targets), than by letting the AI choose targets. In retrospect, I wonder if I might have routed more squads (but killed fewer men) by letting the TacAI do it. I think I would rather get the kills immediately, than risk facing many rallied troops later on. I've played a scenario where the designer asks that the intial 1 Platoon (defending a bridge) not move from their positions, but you CAN direct their fire. I like to micromanage, so I wind up controlling my troops fire nearly all the time anyway. [ June 13, 2002, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: Silvio Manuel ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Petersson Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Lindan: Second best is to do the setup and plot moves to last the entire battle during the first order phase. Then you can sit back and watch your plan fall apart... I've actually played a game that was based pretty much on this concept. It was a miniatures wargame called Apocalypse. Each player had a force of small platoon size, divided into a couple of squads plus one commander. The referees had set up the gaming table with lots of terrain and such, as well as picked forces for both sides. Before the start of the actual battle we (the players) were given some time to a) hand draw a map of the battlefield. specify starting locations of each squad and the commander. c) plot movement paths, halt locations and durations plus fire orders to last the entire battle for all squads. d) make a plan B for each squad, with a pre-defined trigger to activate it. e) give the map to the refs. Then the refs executed the orders according to their interpretation of the players maps. ... As a player I could (for some strange reason) decide on the fly what movement speed each squad was to use for each leg of the plotted movement, but that was it. The only unit I actually controlled was the commander. If I moved the commander very close to a squad I could give that squad a new set of orders, but it took time and lots of effort. Suffice to say that the plan did NOT survive contact with the enemy... Cheers Olle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted June 13, 2002 Share Posted June 13, 2002 Originally posted by Brian: That aside, I find your previous comment, interesting to say the least, "is almost always better at selecting targets"? IMO its usually selecting the target which is shooting at it, rather than necessarily the one which has IMO the highest priority.If you set the targetting, and something unexpected happens, the AI is less likely to change targets than if you let the AI handle it yourself. There are instances when targetting is important (the ambush example above for instance). With sharpshooters, my experience is that giving them tagetting orders is one of the best ways of getting them to not fire at all. Leave them alone (and unhidden) and they do what they are supposed to do... pick off officers and heavy weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitting Duck Posted June 14, 2002 Share Posted June 14, 2002 Rather than issuing target orders, I more often find myself trying to find ways to stop them shooting. Ambush and Indirect Fire excepted, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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