JonS Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 In order to further muddy the waters AIUI the lettering sequence in PIRs was a little different to normal IRs. PIBs had support weapons, on broadly the same scale as leg bns, but they weren't grouped into a specific spt coy, they were directly attached to Bn HQ as pns (Mtr Pn, MG Pn). Thus: 50# PIR . 1st Bn 50# PIR . . Bn HQ, A, B, C Coys . 2nd Bn 50# PIR . . Bn HQ, D, E, F Coys . 3rd Bn 50# PIR . . Bn HQ, G, H, I Coys By-the-by, Joe Balkoski makes the point the bn designation (and the trailing 'Regiment') was often dropped when talking about companies. So just "G Coy, 22nd Infantry", since G Coy was always in 2nd Bn. Regards JonS [ April 03, 2006, 02:15 PM: Message edited by: JonS ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McClaire Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 To further muddy the waters, I'll just point out that the 327th Glider Infantry Regiment DID have two A, B, C, and D companies in the same regiment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McClaire Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 To further muddy the waters, I'll just point out that the 327th Glider Infantry Regiment DID have two A, B, C, and D companies in the same regiment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 so did the 325th (edit: actually, 325th had A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, E, F, G, and H coys) [ March 19, 2006, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: JonS ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 so did the 325th (edit: actually, 325th had A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, E, F, G, and H coys) [ March 19, 2006, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: JonS ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 To muddy the waters even further, go here. Note that information regarding 101st airborne, or any other military formation, is sparse, but it does have a nice recipe for Fried Bologna Snack. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 To muddy the waters even further, go here. Note that information regarding 101st airborne, or any other military formation, is sparse, but it does have a nice recipe for Fried Bologna Snack. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Originally posted by Kingfish: To muddy the waters even further, go here. Note that information regarding 101st airborne, or any other military formation, is sparse, but it does have a nice recipe for Fried Bologna Snack. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm. Sparse? Mark Bando's Trigger Time website is an encyclopedia devoted to the 101st -if it isn't on the site, try the forum. Bando's written quite a few books on the specific subject of the 101st Airborne in WW II and interviewed probably hundreds of veterans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Originally posted by Kingfish: To muddy the waters even further, go here. Note that information regarding 101st airborne, or any other military formation, is sparse, but it does have a nice recipe for Fried Bologna Snack. Mmmm Mmmm Mmmm. Sparse? Mark Bando's Trigger Time website is an encyclopedia devoted to the 101st -if it isn't on the site, try the forum. Bando's written quite a few books on the specific subject of the 101st Airborne in WW II and interviewed probably hundreds of veterans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Just to confuse things further, companies are not lettered across a Brigade. For example the companies in 1st battalion 2nd BDE are lettered HQ, A,B,C,D. and so are the companies in 2nd battalion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Just to confuse things further, companies are not lettered across a Brigade. For example the companies in 1st battalion 2nd BDE are lettered HQ, A,B,C,D. and so are the companies in 2nd battalion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hughes Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Originally posted by Splinty: Just to confuse things further, companies are not lettered across a Brigade. For example the companies in 1st battalion 2nd BDE are lettered HQ, A,B,C,D. and so are the companies in 2nd battalion. You might want to clarify that you are talking about CW brigades here (and it's already been noted above by JDS). If you mean US formations then it's a case of "Veni, Vidi, you talked rot". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hughes Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Originally posted by Splinty: Just to confuse things further, companies are not lettered across a Brigade. For example the companies in 1st battalion 2nd BDE are lettered HQ, A,B,C,D. and so are the companies in 2nd battalion. You might want to clarify that you are talking about CW brigades here (and it's already been noted above by JDS). If you mean US formations then it's a case of "Veni, Vidi, you talked rot". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Actually I was talking about modern U.S. Brigades. And being that I'm in the U.S. Army I think I know that of which I speak, next time I'll be more clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splinty Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Actually I was talking about modern U.S. Brigades. And being that I'm in the U.S. Army I think I know that of which I speak, next time I'll be more clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alsatian Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Someone unmuddy this and explain to me the deal with the Americal Division that fought in the Pacific. Why don't they have a number? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alsatian Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Someone unmuddy this and explain to me the deal with the Americal Division that fought in the Pacific. Why don't they have a number? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Americal = Americans in Caledonia. IIRC, the division was formed from various garrison formations which defended New Caledonia during the early months of the Pacwar. Why it wasn't given a number? My guess is that it wasn't formed in the states per normal army procedures. Edit: Another division which was raised in such a manner but didn't receive a number was the CAM (Combined Army / Marine) division, which fought alongside the Americal in Guadacanal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Americal = Americans in Caledonia. IIRC, the division was formed from various garrison formations which defended New Caledonia during the early months of the Pacwar. Why it wasn't given a number? My guess is that it wasn't formed in the states per normal army procedures. Edit: Another division which was raised in such a manner but didn't receive a number was the CAM (Combined Army / Marine) division, which fought alongside the Americal in Guadacanal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 JonS, Your statement appears to be self-contradicting. Based on the information you gave, "G" Company should "always" be in the 3rd Battalion, not the Second as stated. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 JonS, Your statement appears to be self-contradicting. Based on the information you gave, "G" Company should "always" be in the 3rd Battalion, not the Second as stated. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Originally posted by John Kettler: JonS, Your statement appears to be self-contradicting. Based on the information you gave, "G" Company should "always" be in the 3rd Battalion, not the Second as stated. Nope. Assuming the regular allocation of letters to companies, "G" would be in the 2nd Bn of a normal leg infantry regiment, exactly as Jon said: 1 Bn A, B, C rifle coys, D heavy weapons 2 Bn E, F, G rifle coys, H heavy weapons 3 Bn I, K, L rifle coys, M heavy weapons {Corrected -- there is no "J"} "G" would be in the 3rd Bn in an organization with no heavy weapons coys, such as parachute infatry, again as John said. Contrast this with German practice, where the infantry gun and anti-tank companies were numbered 13 and 14 even in two-battalion regiments where companies 9 to 12 were missing. All the best, John. [ April 03, 2006, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: John D Salt ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Originally posted by John Kettler: JonS, Your statement appears to be self-contradicting. Based on the information you gave, "G" Company should "always" be in the 3rd Battalion, not the Second as stated. Nope. Assuming the regular allocation of letters to companies, "G" would be in the 2nd Bn of a normal leg infantry regiment, exactly as Jon said: 1 Bn A, B, C rifle coys, D heavy weapons 2 Bn E, F, G rifle coys, H heavy weapons 3 Bn I, K, L rifle coys, M heavy weapons {Corrected -- there is no "J"} "G" would be in the 3rd Bn in an organization with no heavy weapons coys, such as parachute infatry, again as John said. Contrast this with German practice, where the infantry gun and anti-tank companies were numbered 13 and 14 even in two-battalion regiments where companies 9 to 12 were missing. All the best, John. [ April 03, 2006, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: John D Salt ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simovitch Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 I thought they used "I" coy instead of "J" coy? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simovitch Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 I thought they used "I" coy instead of "J" coy? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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