Boo Radley Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 ...besides backing away from any implied threat and being knocked out by the judicious use of spit balls? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerxes Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 For the price it's not bad for taking on infantry. ATRs and HMGs ventilate it quite well so you have to handle them with kid gloves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 They're great for swanning around in the desert. Unless you happen to run over some camel dung. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pies Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 I'm playing Sidi Rezegh at the mo and they make it look like a Kuwaiti oilfield Unfortunately they are mine :mad: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pies Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 [ January 20, 2004, 07:26 AM: Message edited by: Captain Pies ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Radley Posted January 19, 2004 Author Share Posted January 19, 2004 Yes. So far in all of the games that the AI has seen fit to visit these Piles-O-Crap on me, none have any kills worth mentioning. But that's probably because they get blown up on the third or fourth move. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty's Double Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 It was commonly said about the Marmon-Herrington, that it's main armament was capable of penetrating the armour of only one vehicle in North Africa - the Marmon-Herrington Armoured Car. That should give you a clue what to use them for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindan Posted January 19, 2004 Share Posted January 19, 2004 "Recon by explosion" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Use them for night battles...they nicely demarcate the lines of defeat... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Radley Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 So we basically all agree that it's not the best piece of equipment you can buy for the Brits. Okay, I can accept that. Now, while we're on the subject, what's all this nonsense with the 2" mortar? "Here ya go lad, you've got a two inch mortar and 10 rounds of smoke and 10 rounds of HE." "But I'll go through that in five minutes! Then what shall I do for the rest of the battle???" "Hang out and have tea with the Marm-Herr crews by the burning wreckage of their cars." Life in the British army. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
................................... Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I dunno about the low ammo loadout of the 2" mortar in CMAK, but have read that in RL they were useful little devices in street fighting. Apparently they could be fired horizontally provided that the base was against a wall or somesuch, useful for making holes. Perhaps the loadout could be looked at, as I'd imagine the mortar rounds aren't much bigger than grenades, and guess 2 men could carry more than that. In CMAK you might want to consider my favourite use for them. The TAC-AI can't resist shooting at mortars, so march one out and watch as the enemy reveal their positions. A little harsh on the mortar team perhaps, but it is a use of a kind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidFields Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Originally posted by Pheasant Plucker: In CMAK you might want to consider my favourite use for them. The TAC-AI can't resist shooting at mortars, so march one out and watch as the enemy reveal their positions. A little harsh on the mortar team perhaps, but it is a use of a kind In another thread, some people were not happy with my use of Bazooka units as scouts/recon. (Even I was not too happy about my using them thus.) Can't imagine that using mortars will be too popular with some people. (I am not trying to cause a problem--it is just interesting how many ways one can approach playing CM) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 most of the time thats all i think morters are good for. i mean, the CM engine doesn't even allow for Indirect Fire with them - what thehell are you supposed to do with them then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Determinant Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Originally posted by Pheasant Plucker: Perhaps the loadout could be looked at, as I'd imagine the mortar rounds aren't much bigger than grenades, and guess 2 men could carry more than that.A two inch mortar bomb is more like a thin bottle of wine if it was made of metal and filled with sand. If you think that two men could usefully carry more than 20 rounds then we will no doubt see you on World's Strongest Man pulling a Humvee by a rope in your teeth. The two inch mortar, in the British Infantry, is traditionally fired by the Platoon Sergeant. Yes there is only one. As I have noted since CMBO. He does not, obviously, actually carry any of it himself. Keeping a dog and barking yourself. Not done. The bombs would be distributed amongst the rest of the platoon. The mysteries of getting bombs to mortar under fire are, wisely in my view, glossed over in the CM series. The developers are obviously thoughtful men - aside of course from their bizarre long-standing conviction that UK rifle sections are commanded by Sergeants. Perhaps it is an obsession with the Brigade of Guards. Who knows? No matter. There are some things in life that do not repay close study. Resupply on the battlefield within F echelon is just one of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Originally posted by Grey Hunter: most of the time thats all i think morters are good for. i mean, the CM engine doesn't even allow for Indirect Fire with them - what thehell are you supposed to do with them then? Which game are you playing then? Mortars in CM can fire indirect. As is well known. As has been discussed extensivly. For the last 5-odd years. Regards JonS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Drive them around behind a hill to make your opponent think you have 50 tanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Hunter Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Which game are you playing then? Mortars in CM can fire indirect. As is well known. As has been discussed extensivly. For the last 5-odd years. Regards JonS Well, every time i try and get them to do it, they refuse to fire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kozure Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Originally posted by Grey Hunter: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Which game are you playing then? Mortars in CM can fire indirect. As is well known. As has been discussed extensivly. For the last 5-odd years. Regards JonS Well, every time i try and get them to do it, they refuse to fire. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Radley Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 Normally, the loadouts I've gotten with the 2" mortar are about 20 rounds, which is...okay, just not what I'm used to. But in one QB, for some reason, I got three mortars all with ten HE and 10 smoke and that was just ridiculous. The Marm-Herr on the other hand is just a horrible, horrible death contraption. I'd rather go into battle in a Ford Pinto. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Pies Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Can a Marm Herr carry a 2" mortar team? you could get rid of both nuisances with a single enemy shot, that way it might make the turn process a microsecond faster. SPOILER > > > > > Actually my MH's in Sidi Rezegh did kill a couple of PSW's but the kill ratio was 7 - 1. I don't think I need to say in whose favour 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Radley Posted January 21, 2004 Author Share Posted January 21, 2004 Question for the grogs: What was the desertion rate for soldiers assigned to the Marm-Herrs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwxspoon Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 The CMAK tutorial explains the use of on-board mortars in the indirect fire mode. jw 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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