SKELLEN Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I have recently completed 'Brits at Anzio' scenario and have experienced a couple of annoying niggles so to speak:- ***SPOILER*** * * * * 1) I had a Crack piat team targeting a Panzer III and he only managed one hit in the side although the Tank did have skirts from 110 meters or so, and seemed to take an age to reload the thing. But what is the benefit of having a Crack unit if no advantage is gained or so it seemed in this scenario and no damage done to the tank? 2) I also had a 17pdr I was trying to keep hidden from German units several hundred meters or so away IIRC, but he would constantly reveal his position firing AP rounds at infantry which I was intending to conserve for German tanks, so again is this due to unit experience or a bug perhaps? I think the 17pdr was a regular but has anyone else experienced this? [ August 29, 2004, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: SKELLEN ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 1) Don't use a PIAT at that range to start with. They are most effective at 60m or less. 2) Second did you try give the 17 pounder a armor cover arc combined with hidding it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 What sort of cover was the 17pdr in? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymaxx Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 1) As Panzerman said, the PIAT is effective only at a very short range. 110m is already a considerable distance and you might have hit the tank once not in spite off but because you had a crack unit. The slow reload time is a real life problem that all PIAT had. Quotes form this site : http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/PIAT "In general use the PIAT had a rated range of about 100m, but that was considered the extreme and was typically fired at much shorter ranges" " The PIAT could then be found in all theatres, although the slow reload time meant it was generally considered a one-shot-per-battle weapon" 2) Did you hide the gun or did you use covered arcs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by moneymaxx: 1) As Panzerman said, the PIAT is effective only at a very short range. 110m is already a considerable distance and you might have hit the tank once not in spite off but because you had a crack unit. The slow reload time is a real life problem that all PIAT had. Quotes form this site : http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/PIAT "In general use the PIAT had a rated range of about 100m, but that was considered the extreme and was typically fired at much shorter ranges" " The PIAT could then be found in all theatres, although the slow reload time meant it was generally considered a one-shot-per-battle weapon" 2) Did you hide the gun or did you use covered arcs? Reload time was only slow if the weapon failed to recock itself - which apparently was not uncommon, but theoretically, the spring would recock, meaning that to reload it, all you had to do was line up a bomb in the firing tray and insure the ballistite cartridge was in the correct location. You didn't have to fiddle with wires as you did with the US 2.36 in bazooka. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymaxx Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 [/qb] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKELLEN Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 The 17pdr was given a Amour cover arc and hide command and was dug in on a slight slope, but would still reveal its position firing at infantry and needless to say it was eventually knocked out by a Tiger - aaahhh! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 On an open slope, scattered tree, woods or what? Also if German infantry were shooting at it, no wonder it wouldn't stop unhiding. Some units in CM seem to, even with cover arcs, unhide them selves, but I find that only happens once the enemy has opened fire on it and continues to do so once you try to "hide" them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 You may want to add a spoiler warning to your first post. There are a few who haven't played that scenario yet. Just a suggestions. As for the scenario in question, IIRC, the 17 pdr's default setting is atop an open slope (really just a RR embankment). Like Panzerman said, if it knows it is discovered, and threatened, then it will disregard its covered arc command and fire in self defense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKELLEN Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by Panzerman: On an open slope, scattered tree, woods or what? Also if German infantry were shooting at it, no wonder it wouldn't stop unhiding. Some units in CM seem to, even with cover arcs, unhide them selves, but I find that only happens once the enemy has opened fire on it and continues to do so once you try to "hide" them. It was on top of an open slope and I think you've hit the nail on it's head, as my 17pdr was sighted by infantry now that I think of it, which would explain the reason for revealing its position in self defense as Kingfish mentions. And thanks for reminding about about a spoiler warning Kingfish - sorry folks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Well, Skellen, you can edit the post to hide the spoiler now And "the top" doesn't make terrain (open, trees) but I think that point is moot now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Question, Why did the British use the PIAT instead of the Bazooka?? Poppy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKELLEN Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by Redwolf: Well, Skellen, you can edit the post to hide the spoiler now I'm not sure how to edit a post and would have if I knew how, but if you can give some some insight? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Europa Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by Poppy: Question, Why did the British use the PIAT instead of the Bazooka?? Poppy Mainly because they are british which in effect means that they are conservative to their death and never changes anything that have worked once before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 HI Europa, I was hoping that the PIAT was more effective or at least more available. Poppy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by SKELLEN: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Redwolf: Well, Skellen, you can edit the post to hide the spoiler now I'm not sure how to edit a post and would have if I knew how, but if you can give some some insight? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Europa Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Originally posted by Poppy: HI Europa, I was hoping that the PIAT was more effective or at least more available. Poppy I honestly don't have a clue... Sorry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKELLEN Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 Thanks for telling me how to edit the post Kingfish as I did try the faq option for info, but for some reason it's not working. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 The PIAT was not all bad. The Companion book I think has a nice example of it in action. Remember its biggest virtue was no blast when fired so you could probably take a few shots without being spotted. This meant you could fire from a house without necessarily doing yourself a mischief. Also a fairly destructive warhead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 I don't think it was bad either, just not very useful for long range shots when compaired to the bazooka and panzerschreak. That said the PIAT was not a rocket propelled weapon so you cannot really compaire them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 in CMAK terms i think i prefer the PIAT. it's very stealthy & can fire a few rounds off without being noticed. keep the range <50m & they work well but you get enough of them to risk going for the longer shots anyway. they do their job of making your opponent keep his armour out of the way very well. of course, i'd still rather have the later Panzergrenadier & all those lovely fausts & shreks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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