Deserteur Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Hi guys, I am creating a scenario and have included a German Sd Kfz 7/2 Flak with a 37mm L/57 gun. There is also an enemy airplane in this scenario, but whenever the airplane attacks my troops my Flak vehicle is idling around in the landscape instead of shooting at the airplane. The airplane pilot is set to experienced and the Flak crew even one above. So why doesn't it fire? Can only certain types of Flak attack enemy airplanes in the game? I am aware that a 88mm Flak won't be able to attack a small airplane, but a small 37mm? I even tried it with a Sd Kfz 7/1 which has four 20mm L/55 guns, but this won't attack the airplane too. Can anyone help me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 The AA vehicles only fire when the airplaine is at least some safety distance away. And they always turn the gun back to where it was, maybe your vehicle doesn't fire because the gun is still turning? CMBB before some of the newer patches also had outright bugs on top of it that prevented AA vehicles from doing AA work. Could be back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Might be a bug. But first, are you sure the vehicles in question have clear LOS to the plane? If they can't see it, they can't shoot it. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserteur Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 Their line of sight was good. The problem is that sometimes the Flak vehicle targets the airplane and sometimes not, although it has a line of sight. When it targets the airplane then it usually shoots at it, but this only happens in less then 1/4 of all attacks. Would it be better if I take a Flak without vehicle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Originally posted by Deserteur: Would it be better if I take a Flak without vehicle? Would be interesting to try that, especially if you can place it in the exact same position on the map with the same forces, etc. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 The towed AA guns don't have the minimum distance thing coded in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserteur Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 Ok I have replaced it with a stationary Flak and released my scenario at the Proving Grouns. It is called "Die Flut". Have fun while trying it After I replaced the Flak vehicle with a stationary Flak it worked every time. p.s.: This is just the first version of the scenario and my first scenario ever, so I am willing to listen to any proposals to improve the scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Congratulations on your first scenario! Your flak problems surprise me because awhile ago I made a little flak test scenario and ran every flak vehicle I could find through its paces, and they all did fire on approaching aircraft (and it was fun to watch!). One thing might be if the AA gun is too far off plane's flight path. A bigger gun (37mm, 40mm) just doesn't rotate fast enough to track a fast moving fighter that isn't overflying it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deserteur Posted January 8, 2004 Author Share Posted January 8, 2004 Thanks Mikey, that's the same thought that I had. The airplane in this scenario is really fast, which is the reason why I replaced the larger 37mm with a smaller and quicker 4x20mm Flak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I've sen things similar to this too. Stationary flak spots targets miles off but vehicle mounted flak has problems aquiring planes. They often are late in reacting to aproaching planes and drop targeting every now and again despite LOS. Is this the limited vehicle LOS being used instead of an all round flak LOS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Blah Blah Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 I have only played one scenario with enemy CAS, and the flak has never done anything. Playing 'The Creek' both against the AI and a mate (well, I haven't really told him yet... ) I ensured that I positioned the flak vehicles in wide open spaces. Several times they have been reasonably close to the vehicle that has been destroyed. Yet even on the 2nd and 3rd passes nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 AGAIN, AA vehicles in CMBB and CMAK do NOT fire at airplanes that are less than a certain distance away. Supposedly that is done that they don't give their position away when they are threatend (appears to be pretty useless as vehicle in CM seems to be spotted easily by airplanes anyway. AGAIN, they don't fire at planes that are not some safety distance away. To make things actually bad, they don't turn their guns towards planes too close either, so when the plane gets to a safe distance they try to fire but cannot since they cannot turn the gun fast enough for the remaining time. AGAIN, this is for AA vehicles, not AA guns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenfedoroff Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Redwolf Thanks for the explanation on the AA: gun vs vehicle bug. This will come in handy for my scenarios. Thanks, Ken 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 It's not a bug, it is coded that way. I am not sure I would call it a feature given the small CM maps and the fact that vehicles cannot really hide from airplanes anyway, though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siege Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Don't the halftrack mounted German AA guns also have facing restrictions? If the truck is facing AT the airplane, the guns won't fire in that direction. Try turning the trucks around so that the airplanes attack from the other direction, that might do it. -Hans 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blah Blah Blah Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Originally posted by Siege: Don't the halftrack mounted German AA guns also have facing restrictions? If the truck is facing AT the airplane, the guns won't fire in that direction. Try turning the trucks around so that the airplanes attack from the other direction, that might do it. -Hans Not for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Given the airplanes target priorities in CM, the question remains why you would want to shoot down an enemy plane in first place. Now, if they shot at your own planes... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Is there ever frienly fire from flak to your own plane? People on the ground misidentifying the plane? Although i will check in the manual, what happens when two opposing planes operate in the same area? Do they shoot each other? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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