WWB Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Well, you can't drive a 250, but the 251 is avaliable. And it could be yours for a little over $18,000 US. Check out the auction at: SPW 251 Auction Steve take note. It would be a nice addition to your collection. WWB [Edited for idiotic error. Kids, remember to read what you post about.] [ 07-18-2001: Message edited by: wwb_99 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 A little steep for a 60 year old vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warphead Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 This is NOT an SdKfz 251/1. It is a post war czech OT-810. Converted to look like an 251 most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Little steep? I guess it depends. Who's got a copy of the Czech "Blue Book". Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWB Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 Correct warpie, the guy states as much in the blurb. Still, a mobile piece of history. WWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Check out the stuff the current high bidder has bought. He sounds serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>A little steep for a 60 year old vehicle.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hmmm... then I think you would find the $125,000 pricetag for a 1945 Hetzer unimaginably steep These things are pieces of history folks. Small numbers and larger demand means higher prices for German vehicles. For example, you can get a M5A1 Stuart for about $60,000 in fantastic shape, or you can get a VW Schwimwagen for the same price. A Kettenkraft rad is a "steal" in comparison at $45,000 Yes, the 251/1 is actually a converted Czech OT-810. The Germans set up production there during the war and the Czechs kept cranking out slightly modified versions after the war. The big difference is the substituation of a rather noisy and dirty Tatra Diesel engine instead of the gas powered Maybach in the original. Major modifications to the rear had to be made to get the OT-810 to look like a 251/1. $18,000 is about average for a good quality conversion. They are for sale quite frequently. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warphead Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 I already drove in a converted OT-810 at the Poteau Museum in the Ardennes a few weeks ago. Quite an experience! If you ever happen to travel the Ardennes be sure to pay a visit there at the weekend. See some photos of this trip in the "Our trips" section at http://www.jagdtiger.de The museum's HP is http://come.to/ardennen-poteau44-museum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipmonkey25 Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Steve, was that price for a real Hetzer, or a Swiss G-13? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Big Time Software: Hmmm... then I think you would find the $125,000 pricetag for a 1945 Hetzer unimaginably steep These things are pieces of history folks. Small numbers and larger demand means higher prices for German vehicles. For example, you can get a M5A1 Stuart for about $60,000 in fantastic shape, or you can get a VW Schwimwagen for the same price. A Kettenkraft rad is a "steal" in comparison at $45,000 Yes, the 251/1 is actually a converted Czech OT-810. The Germans set up production there during the war and the Czechs kept cranking out slightly modified versions after the war. The big difference is the substituation of a rather noisy and dirty Tatra Diesel engine instead of the gas powered Maybach in the original. Major modifications to the rear had to be made to get the OT-810 to look like a 251/1. $18,000 is about average for a good quality conversion. They are for sale quite frequently. Steve<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I can see that Steve but for a 251/1 thats not even a 251/1. Its a convertion! I can see that prise for tank. Not APC. I am also look at that prise tag as a Canadian. TO me that would be like $25,000 for the ACP. [ 07-18-2001: Message edited by: Panzerman ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWB Posted July 18, 2001 Author Share Posted July 18, 2001 Rob, you are not buying the thing to drive. Not that I don't know people who drop $50,000 plus on a car. You are buying it so that you can own a piece of history. I know people who spend $25,000 US on a single coin, and they feel it is well worth it. Hell, I would buy the thing if I had the means and a way to store it. Let us all hope that it finds a good home. WWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Leader Posted July 18, 2001 Share Posted July 18, 2001 Are you kidding?? I would drive it EVERYWHERE! Imagine the camping trips... Its too bad about the missing MG34 though, that really reduced its value for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Panzerman, <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I can see that Steve but for a 251/1 thats not even a 251/1. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yup, which is why the price tag wasn't $60-80,000 Think of it this way... a brand new, low end, run of the mill, mass produced, ho-hum pickup truck is about $20,000. $18,000 for a piece of armor doesn't look so bad when you think of it that way, especially when something like a Suburban is $50,000+ It is a vehicle, a piece of history, something of value. And think of how many multi-million dollar pieces of canvas with some paint splashed on them could be run over by this thing Value is in the eye of the beholder. As someone who is very plugged into the military vehicle hobby, this is a good price. Probably cost him $14,000 to start with with (guess here) about $10,000 more in parts and labor. So the guy is taking a $6000 (guess) bath on the deal. Unfortunately, like antique cars... you can pour a bank full of money into one of these things but you are unlikely to get your money back. BTW, US Halftracks generally go for around this ballpark fully restored. Fully tracked APCs, like M114s, M75s, UK FV423, etc. go for between $25-$40,000. And these are fairly common and easy to get a hold of. As far as I can tell that Hetzer was the real deal, not a Swiss G-13. But if it is a Swiss G-13, the price is way too high. WAY, WAY too high Steve [ 07-19-2001: Message edited by: Big Time Software ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted July 19, 2001 Share Posted July 19, 2001 Well, I'm off to the War and Peace show in Beltring tomorrow, so let me know if you want me to pick anything up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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