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Eliminating The Ubertank Problem: Selecting The Right Parameters


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Aka_Tom

**** Do the players in the top 10 at T-house ever play "Let the computer pick the units"? ***

Hi,

While not in the top ten (pretty close) I do let the computer pick forces and have suggested this to people I play.

I have only just learnt of the flaw with this and I am dissapointed that you can do this as it now means people are tarred with that brush even though I have never done such a thing.

I have played Knaust blind at various scenarios he has suggested and not loaded it up as his force to see what is coming. This has given me some intense games which were fun to play although a bit imbalanced at times. Both Knaust and I have lost these imbalanced scenario games so it kinda evens out. (Knaust you are getting good at long posts wink.gif )

I agree with Jason that the points seem to be out of kilter and when that happens people who want to win will buy what is best from the shelf. This is "gamey" but it is a game so "C'est La Vie" if you want to play ladder you will get this.

I would strongly suggest that the points for units are closely examined for CM2 as this will create situations which skew away from history.

However, even if the points do get "sorted" the technicians will choose what is the best buy from the new list. I would just hope the new list would enable a more varied game.

The answer without that change is to guage your opponent and enjoy those that play at your level and swiftlty move on from those that don't. (By level I mean your own personal interpretation of "Gameyness".)

One can not legislate for it and there is no surefire way of defining gaming ethics as it is a game and the cultural differences of players will always cause mis-understandings.

We come from many different walks of life the only rules that can be defined are those that the game allows and while Gentlemans agreements can be made the game will not support those. Gentlemen (and Ladies) will.

So choose your players wisely. Trust them and hope they trust you back. It is a game and enjoyment comes not from winning but the thrills during the course of battle. (Well that's what I try and tell myself when I have been rogered badly...)

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Originally posted by Holien:

Aka_Tom

**** Do the players in the top 10 at T-house ever play "Let the computer pick the units"? ***

Hi,

While not in the top ten (pretty close) I do let the computer pick forces and have suggested this to people I play.

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So choose your players wisely. Trust them and hope they trust you back. It is a game and enjoyment comes not from winning but the thrills during the course of battle. (Well that's what I try and tell myself when I have been rogered badly...)

H

Hi Holien

Thanks for your reply,

I thouhgt I woudl post this from the other thread on this issue. Here's one good solution..

Thanks to Moriarty for this one..

-tom w

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Member posted 03-23-2001 01:28 PM

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Originally posted:

"Most "technicians" refuse to allow computer chosen forces because they already know exactly which forces give them the greatest advantage when playing any given side, within a certain pt range (usually 1000 - 2000). Said "technicians" will usually dis-allow computer force picks under the aegis of the "whoever generates the game could cheat and pick his own force, while sticking me with the lame computer chosen troopies".

One way to avoid this and save time typing is to do a screenshot of the setup window and send the jpg to your opponent.

Side note: I, too, have no problem with letting the AI do the unit selections.

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Sorry Abbot, but after reading what seemed like a list of complaints got kind of irate. Thought I provided a solution but, oh well.

Oh, and one more thing. I don't give a damn about this special soldier of yours but keep off of my Nimitz quote and my beloved Corps... you're treading on holy territory of Marine history.

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"Uncommon valor was a common virtue"-Adm.Chester Nimitz of the Marines on Iwo Jima

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The best solution I've come up with to the "Übertank problem" is to;

a) don't play ladder games, so that who win/lose become less important.

B) decide the actual win/loss based on performance during the battle, not what the in-game AAR says. Both players do a briefing and discussion based on what they think they and their opponent did right/wrong. Then it's usually not difficult to agree on who actually won (or if it was a draw).

Cheers

Olle

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Originally posted by Olle Petersson:

The best solution I've come up with to the "Übertank problem" is to;

a) don't play ladder games, so that who win/lose become less important.

B) decide the actual win/loss based on performance during the battle, not what the in-game AAR says. Both players do a briefing and discussion based on what they think they and their opponent did right/wrong. Then it's usually not difficult to agree on who actually won (or if it was a draw).

Cheers

Olle

If you find an opponent who is willing to take the time to analyze the game afterwards and plays well then you probably don't have to worry about them always using Ubertanks anyways.

My problem is that I have a low tolerance for losing...which unfortunately is something I do all too well as it seems. biggrin.gif

-Chris

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Originally posted by Abbott:

Here you go Col_ an AAR from two highly rated player's at Thouse (posted today).

AAR:

7 guns in a 1000 point game. Throw in an uber map and a Panther and it felt like I was playing (name blanked out). Serioulsy GUNS, Guns and more guns followed by a human wave of SMGs is the axis concoction to vic. We might need to start bidding for axis, cause I dont lose with em either. I been playing Allies alot lately against newer players. Some have crested the learning curve and realize that their is no excuse for losing with axis. (name blanked out) knows how to win with em. Winning with Axis has become like holding serve. Yet it is far harder to break em with allies then it is in Tennis. YOBO, hurry up with the new chat so we can start implementing a bid for axis to even this thing out. smile.gifwink.gif

Bally Jerry pranged his kite right in the how's-your-father. Hairy blighter Dickie-Birdied, feathered back on his Sammies, took a Waspie, flipped over on his Betty Harper's and caught his can in the Bird's Egg. biggrin.gif

- Sorry - I couldn't resist!

Edited to apologise in arrears.

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Originally posted by ckoharik:

If you find an opponent who is willing to take the time to analyze the game afterwards and plays well then you probably don't have to worry about them always using Ubertanks anyways.

For me the after action analysis is the most rewarding part of the whole.

Gaming the battle is just the means to provide material for the analysis, and the analysis provide material to be implemented in the next battle...

Cheers

Olle

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I think the most obvious solution to any "gamey" force mix is to crush the one doing it. If they lose while buying their favorite ubertank, then they might just decide it wasn't the best decision. Not so hard in a lot of cases. Bogging, multiple flanking attacks, heavy trees, etc. all make the heavies anything but a sure bet. For every combination of units, there is a counter that works. That's what makes most of come back for more, even after defeat.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ckoharik:

My problem is that I have a low tolerance for losing... which unfortunately is something I do all too well as it seems.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If you implement my earlier point... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>B) decide the actual win/loss based on performance during the battle, not what the in-game AAR says. ... Then it's usually not difficult to agree on who actually won (or if it was a draw).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>... then you might find yourself on the winning side more often. smile.gif

Cheers

Olle

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