Tanks a Lot Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 After some excellent suggestions, I re-made my concrete bunker. New firing slit with stair-stepped edge. Anti-grenade mesh inside. Texture has a more mossy green look to it. Added some foliage around the base. New back door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubbies Phan Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Hey now, now that looks good. Although it's a bit too mossy, in my opinion. Meaning that it looks like what a concrete bunker would look like today, rather than what it would look like back in the '40s Where's the winter version? Keep the same look, you could add snow hanging off of the vegetation, or make them leafless. [ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: Cubbies Phan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanks a Lot Posted October 12, 2001 Author Share Posted October 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cubbies Phan: Hey now, now that looks good. Although it's a bit too mossy, in my opinion. Meaning that it looks like what a concrete bunker would look like today, rather than what it would look like back in the '40s Where's the winter version? Keep the same look, you could add snow hanging off of the vegetation, or make them leafless. [ 10-11-2001: Message edited by: Cubbies Phan ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Didn't they have moss back in the '40s? :confused: The mossy color blends in with the terrain better serving as camouflage. I'll probably remove it and the foliage when I get around to doing the winter version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubbies Phan Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tanks a Lot: Didn't they have moss back in the '40s? :confused: <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well yeah, but what I meant was that a concrete bunker would have been recently built back during the war would not have been around long enough to become mossy. Get my drift? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>The mossy color blends in with the terrain better serving as camouflage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Granted it probably does. So I guess do whatever you want then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanks a Lot Posted October 12, 2001 Author Share Posted October 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cubbies Phan: Well yeah, but what I meant was that a concrete bunker would have been recently built back during the war would not have been around long enough to become mossy. Get my drift?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes that does make sense, but if it's damp enough, it wouldn't take too long. That reminds me, time to clean my shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offtaskagain Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 A good many of the Siegfried line bunkers were built around the time of the Maginot Line, so they would certainly have some growth on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 I don't know I think it's about perfect as is right now. I really like the color and like you say it'll look extremely good against the landscape. Excellent job Tanks a lot. I'll certainly use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanks a Lot Posted October 12, 2001 Author Share Posted October 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lcm1947: I don't know I think it's about perfect as is right now. I really like the color and like you say it'll look extremely good against the landscape. Excellent job Tanks a lot. I'll certainly use it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Thanks again Lee. I reduced the level of "mossyness" by about 25%. Nothing major but I think it's ready to go now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Trap Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 This, I swear, is my last suggestion: To really make that bevelled edge pop (that's desiger talk) then darken the top bevelled edge in relation to the two side bevels. If your light source is above, like say- the sun, then the top bevelled edge would be the most in shadow. But that's all mouse nuts (as a former design boss used to tell me). It looks really good. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Tanks a Lot, You've made considerable progress, but you're not there yet. Let me try a crude graphic to illustrate the concept I'm trying to convey. Embrasure (side view) Not to scale ************************** * * *** *** *= (MG or cannon here) *** *** * _________________________*____________________ The sides of the embrasure are also stairstepped, only laterally this time. The screens should be on the outside, the idea being to keep grenades away from the embrasure altogether. The mesh can be considerably larger, say, four to six inch squares or thereabouts. This keeps grenades out but facilitates aiming by the occupants. Is there any way for you to paint a ventilator on the roof? Where is the door handle? We're talking about an armored door here. It's heavy. Is there any way to radius or maybe slightly blur all those hard primary corners in the basic structure's design? I think you're going to have a marvelous looking fortification mod when you get done. I'm simply trying to help you flesh out a great basic concept. Keep up the good work! Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Bah! The UBB demon scrambled my graphic! Think side view of stairstepped embrasure with no bevel whatsoever; sides of embrasure are stairstepped laterally. Overall effect is like a partially open telescope. Sorry for any confusion. Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USTanker Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 So where am I gonna be able to get this mod Tanks a Lot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John Kettler: The screens should be on the outside, the idea being to keep grenades away from the embrasure altogether. The mesh can be considerably larger, say, four to six inch squares or thereabouts. This keeps grenades out but facilitates aiming by the occupants.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Was this commonly done in WW II? Chain link fencing wasn't all that common in Europe - where would the mesh come from? Would look great on an Israeli bus, on the other hand... I agree that the top bevel would look super if it were darker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer_Meyer Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Nice work Tanks. I always wanted to replace my bunker, it's to clean. Yours is perfect, keep up the great work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanks a Lot Posted October 12, 2001 Author Share Posted October 12, 2001 Thanks Rommel22. I made a few more changes after reading John Kettler's suggestions. I added a door handle to the rear door. Moved the screen farther out and made it a larger mesh. I made the firing slit much more simple to avoid problems. I can't really add a ventilator to the roof because there is no separate roof texture. Part of the side is stretched to make the roof. That also makes blurring the edges not look correct. Does this look better than before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Duquette Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 Tanks A lot The concrete Bunker looks great! The slight "mossing" effect is excellent. Being a civil engineer I look at a lot of concrete structures and you have captured the effect perfectly. It is amazing how quickly moss will discolor concrete. I also like the added anti-grenade wire\cammo-net\mesh. Very nice detailing. I recall reading that the Marines in South Korea used chicken wire over weapon slits to keep grenades out…I dunno how common chicken wire was in S. Korea in the 1950's, but there seemed to be enough for the Marines to use in their bunkers. I reckon cammo netting could have been used to achieve the same effect. I'm changing my bunker bmps tonight when I get home. Thanks Tanks. So did Brens have tripods or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Duquette Posted October 12, 2001 Share Posted October 12, 2001 I forgot to ask...where can I download your bunker MOD from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanks a Lot Posted October 12, 2001 Author Share Posted October 12, 2001 Thanks Jeff, I'll probably send it to The Last Defense Link when I'm done. The anti-grenade screen was John's idea and reducing the amount of moss was Cubbies Phan's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 Do let us know when and where Tanks a Lot. It's very very nice! I did however like the idea of a vent on top that John Kettler made but it's fine without also. And yes the color is perfect now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubbies Phan Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tanks a Lot: Thanks Jeff, I'll probably send it to The Last Defense Link when I'm done. The anti-grenade screen was John's idea and reducing the amount of moss was Cubbies Phan's.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes that looks better. Now it looks like the bunker would look in the 1950s, LOL! Just kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 I like it and I'd use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 For the record, I never said word one about chain link fence. I did talk about wire mesh, of which I'm familiar with two main types in this sort of application. There's the gridded stuff I described and the much smaller hexagonal stuff so fine it'll even keep baby chicks from escaping. Tanks a Lot, the fortification's looking good. I roger your technical problems and congratulate you on the door handles and the antigrenade screening, also for getting rid of the embrasure beveling completely. What are my chances of getting the stairstepping (narrowing rectangular funnel with square edges) around the embrasure? Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanks a Lot Posted October 13, 2001 Author Share Posted October 13, 2001 John: Is this the stairstepping you want? Does the propaganda poster look out of place on the back of the bunker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 Tanks a Lot, Now we're making progress! What you need to do next is deepen the embrasure and use light and shadow to increase the visual contrast. As someone else suggested, you need to figure out where your presumed light source will be (alas, no dynamic lighting anytime soon) and position your shadows accordingly. The only way to have the light hit the embrasure the way you have it now is for the fortification to point due east and for it to be sunrise. As for the propaganda poster, I personally have never seen photos of one on the outside of a fortification. I have real doubts about getting the thing to stick to rough concrete in the first place, and it would weather rapidly (deteriorate badly) even if it could be made to stay up. Personally, I'd suggest a painted slogan. Alternatively, try the door. The German speaking grogs here can no doubt help with suitable phrases. I congratulate you on a tremendous piece of evolving work and on your willingness to listen to those trying to help you. Whoever hosts your mod will have a busy server. I know when people see your mod, they'll want it. They already want it! Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aka_tom_w Posted October 13, 2001 Share Posted October 13, 2001 its ready, really its was ready several days ago When and where can I download it?? It looks GREAT just release the damn thing! NICE Work!! -tom w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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