LimShady Posted February 18, 2001 Share Posted February 18, 2001 Hi guys, I just finished reading Joseph Alexander's <u>Storm Landings</u> (good book IMHO) and during the analysis of the Okinawa campaign, he states that General Buckner was the highest ranking US officer KIA. Prior to this I thought most sources said that General McNair was the highest ranking officer KIA, or was that just in the ETO? LimShady [This message has been edited by LimShady (edited 02-18-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted February 18, 2001 Share Posted February 18, 2001 Well, McNair died due to "friendly fire" so perhaps that's what they were implying with the comment about Buckner being the highest-ranking killed by "hostile fire." Only a lawyer could call it "friendly fire," methinks... BTW I remember reading that McNair was so busted up by the AAF bomb that hit near him that they had to ID him by his watch or something similar. I haven't personally observed many friendly fire casualties in CM, does anyone have any tales to tell about this phenomenon? Some estimates for WW2 friendly fire casualties run 10 per cent as I recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimShady Posted February 18, 2001 Author Share Posted February 18, 2001 Originally posted by gunnergoz: I haven't personally observed many friendly fire casualties in CM, does anyone have any tales to tell about this phenomenon? Some estimates for WW2 friendly fire casualties run 10 per cent as I recall. I was playing Any Port After A Storm Part 2 and two squads were assaulting at 150mm gun supported by a .50 cal 100m away (at night). After the squads destroyed the gun and routed the crew, the .50 cal switched fire to one of the sqauds. I'm pretty sure one of those squads wanted to turn that 150mm gun on the MG crew... LimShady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Babra Posted February 18, 2001 Share Posted February 18, 2001 In poor visibility scenarios I'll frequently have to retarget units who are targetting friendlies. Poor arty is the big killer though. I'm pretty careful about it, but others think nothing of calling down 155s on danger-close targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow 1st Hussars Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 What was it in the Gulf war? 90% of all casualties were from friendly fire? ------------------ Charlie don't Surf shadow@jagdtiger.de http://www.orbitonline.ca/~Shadow/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Michael emrys Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Originally posted by LimShady: Hi guys, I just finished reading Joseph Alexander's <u>Storm Landings</u> (good book IMHO) and during the analysis of the Okinawa campaign, he states that General Buckner was the highest ranking US officer KIA. Prior to this I thought most sources said that General McNair was the highest ranking officer KIA, or was that just in the ETO? Not sure about this, so don't take it as gospel, but I think McNair was a lieutenant general whereas Buckner had four stars. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Just double-checked and both McNair and Buckner were Lieutenant Generals (3-star) when they died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Babra Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Okay, so which one got his commission first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russellmz Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Originally posted by Shadow 1st Hussars: What was it in the Gulf war? 90% of all casualties were from friendly fire? im pretty sure that is WAY too high. it was a high percentage but only because of the tiny number of casualties overall. if it had been a real slughter fest, the real story would have the same small number of friendly casualties pointed to as one of the major highlights of the war(small percentage friendly firer incidents) ------------------ russellmz, Self-Proclaimed Keeper for Life of the Sacred Unofficial FAQ. "They had their chance- they have not lead!" - GW Bush "They had mechanical pencils- they have not...lead?" - Jon Stewart on The Daily Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindicide Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Originally posted by Shadow 1st Hussars: What was it in the Gulf war? 90% of all casualties were from friendly fire? Only if the Americans were on your side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Originally posted by Blindicide: Only if the Americans were on your side. Good point - I think the Iraqis rate of fratricide was significantly lower.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvet Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 The highest ranking U.S. naval officer killed during WW2 was Rear Admiral Isaac C. Kidd. He was killed on December 7th, 1941 at Pearl Harbor while aboard the Arizona when the Japanese attacked. He was last seen manning a machine gun and firing at the Japanese aircraft. Right after that the Arizona blew up. His body was never found. ------------------ Craiger All your victory flag are belong to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal DI FOLCO Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Huh, I thought it was Roosevelt.. OK, it's bad taste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CavScout Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Originally posted by Michael Dorosh: Good point - I think the Iraqis rate of fratricide was significantly lower.... When you're twirling a white flag it's hard to kill anything! [This message has been edited by CavScout (edited 02-19-2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted February 19, 2001 Share Posted February 19, 2001 Originally posted by Pascal DI FOLCO: Huh, I thought it was Roosevelt.. OK, it's bad taste Actually, Brig. Gen. (I think, could've been Major) Teddy Roosevelt did die in ETO, of a heart attack, a few weeks after D-Day, IIRC. ------------------ Soy super bien soy super super bien soy bien bien super bien bien bien super super Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LimShady Posted February 19, 2001 Author Share Posted February 19, 2001 Originally posted by Chupacabra: Actually, Brig. Gen. (I think, could've been Major) Teddy Roosevelt did die in ETO, of a heart attack, a few weeks after D-Day, IIRC. Brigadier General General Roosevelt's Medal of Honor Citation: *ROOSEVELT, THEODORE, JR. Rank and organization: brigadier general, U.S. Army. Place and date: Normandy invasion, 6 June 1944. Entered service at: Oyster Bay, N.Y. Birth: Oyster Bay, N.Y. G.O. No.: 77, 28 September 1944. Citation: for gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty on 6 June 1944, in France. After 2 verbal requests to accompany the leading assault elements in the Normandy invasion had been denied, Brig. Gen. Roosevelt's written request for this mission was approved and he landed with the first wave of the forces assaulting the enemy-held beaches. He repeatedly led groups from the beach, over the seawall and established them inland. His valor, courage, and presence in the very front of the attack and his complete unconcern at being under heavy fire inspired the troops to heights of enthusiasm and self-sacrifice. Although the enemy had the beach under constant direct fire, Brig. Gen. Roosevelt moved from one locality to another, rallying men around him, directed and personally led them against the enemy. Under his seasoned, precise, calm, and unfaltering leadership, assault troops reduced beach strong points and rapidly moved inland with minimum casualties. He thus contributed substantially to the successful establishment of the beachhead in France . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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