Abbott Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 Thinking of buying a new card and moving my V770 to my girlfriends system. Which card do you folks think packs the best bang for the buck, Radeon or G-force? [ 04-17-2001: Message edited by: Abbott ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 Well, I'll tell you right now. Radeons don't support Fog Table Emulation. Which means you won't be able to see Fog in CM. I'd definately go with a Geforce. I've got a 64MB Geforce 2 GTS Pro Platinum and I love it. But you're board has to have an AGP Pro slot to use a AGP Pro card. And only some of the newest boards have AGP Pro slots, so you're probably stuck with a normal AGP card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 [Too late answer edited] M. [ 04-17-2001: Message edited by: Mattias ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 ATI has a very long history of releasing crappy drivers and never really fixing them without at the same time add new features, bwhich are in turn broken. Enough that I will never buy an ATI card again and I am not amused what the ATI rage mobility does in my notebook under Windows. The only reason for ATI is that you get drivers for Linux/FreeBSD with source code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted April 17, 2001 Author Share Posted April 17, 2001 Mainboard is ASUS P3B-F: Looking for information on its slots now. Anyone know off hand what slots it supports? [ 04-17-2001: Message edited by: Abbott ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Heidman Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 Get a GeForce 2 GTS 32. That is the current sweet spot between price and performance. At newegg.com you can get an MSI GeForce 2 GTS 32MB DDR card for $132. You can't beat that with a stick. Jeff Heidman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanks a Lot Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Abbott: Mainboard is ASUS P3B-F: Looking for information on its slots now. Anyone know off hand what slots it supports? [ 04-17-2001: Message edited by: Abbott ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The P3B-F won't support AGP Pro, but I would go for a regular Geforce 2. http://www.asus.com/Products/Motherboard/Pentiumpro/P3b-f/feature.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted April 17, 2001 Author Share Posted April 17, 2001 Thanks Tanks. I searched ASUS's site and was unable to come up with that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted April 17, 2001 Author Share Posted April 17, 2001 Jeff, I agree, that is a lot of card for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 Also check the Kyro II graphics board coming out this May. Check Hercules.con (Guillemott). It's a budget card for $149 and supposedly outperforms a geforce2. As always though check for tech reviews from more than one source (the reviews at Sharkeysextreme for example) before you make a purchase on anything. http://us.hercules.com/products/video/3dp_4500_64mb/index.php3 -Tiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted April 17, 2001 Author Share Posted April 17, 2001 Wow, a 64mb card for $149.00. Thanks Tiger! ------------ "At a price point of $149, we were not expecting much from the 3D Prophet 4500. Considering the memory bandwidth of 2.8GB/s and a fillrate of 350Mpixels/s, these beliefs were duly justified. Imagine our surprise when the KYRO II-equipped 3D Prophet 4500 blew past all competitively priced cards on the market. So, when all is said and done, we are left with compelling performance, solid drivers, and game compatibility unlike any other iteration of the PowerVR architecture. For $149, the 3D Prophet 4500 is able to best both NVIDIA and ATI's top efforts in the value market. Guess it really pays to work smarter, not harder." Chris Angelini, editor -------- "The performance of the Kyro II based 3D Prophet 4500 is nothing short of stunning given its price: a mere $149.99. With its tile based rendering algorithm, the Kyro II provides blazing fast performance considering the price and was actually able to beat products almost $200 more than the cost of a Kyro II based board. Throughout the benchmarks, the Kyro II based 3D Prophet 4500 simply dominated everything else in its price range. The Kyro II was ready and able to tackle any game we sent its way."- Mathew Witheiler, Anandtech ----------- Some stunning reviews (from link above, Tiger's post). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jshandorf Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maximus: But you're board has to have an AGP Pro slot to use a AGP Pro card. And only some of the newest boards have AGP Pro slots, so you're probably stuck with a normal AGP card<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Maximus, Looking over NVIDIA's specs on GeForce2 GTS and the ULTRA I see no requirement about having a AGP Pro slot. Considering the GTS consumes less then 10 watts I don't see why any standard AGP 2.0 complient slot wouldn't support a Gerforce2 GTS card. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwacker Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 One tidbit of info that may / may not be relevant depending on your full reasons for upgrade: I recently looked at upgrading my graphics card (a V770 ultra) to a Geforce2 GTS or something similar. I came to the conclusion that the improvement in frame rate would be minimal. As I recall the increase in pixel throughput would be about x2 or a little more with a x4 AGP motherboard but my motherboard (a Abit Be6 II v2) only supports x2 AGP transfers so the net effect would be close to nothing (I beleive). Looks like your motherboard is from the same era and also only supports x2 AGP. However if you have a straight V770 without the ultra chipset you will see a tiny improvement, maybe 20%, i.e. not much. There is some useful info here : http://arstechnica.com/reviews/graphics.html A related point, that I'm less sure of, is whether CM supports x4 AGP at all. I think x4 hardware was not widely available when CM was released but I don't know if software support is required to see the improved pixel transfer rate. Can anyone answer this? Another issue is that you need a processor capable of keeping up with these high end graphics cards - something roughly equivalent to a 700MHz Pentium III is about the minimum otherwise you won't see all the potential of these cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted April 17, 2001 Author Share Posted April 17, 2001 Thanks Kwacker, I have thought of the same issues. I am running a standard V770 from Diamond with a PIII 600. My board will support a 933mhz, which may be my next upgrade along with a new video card. I am also thinking of just over-clocking my 600 if things slow down. Actually my current set-up runs just fine with today's software. My girlfriends system is lacking. PII 350mhz with on-board sound and video (Gateway). My choices are kick my current system down to her and buy a new AMD system or install a 933Mhz PIII and new video card in my current system. Leaving my PIII 600 and V770 for her system along with a new Main board. So I am looking at a CPU, Video card and sound card plus a new mainboard (GF/sys) or a new AMD system. Upgrades would probably run about $500.00 or so for both systems. Compare that to a new AMD system and I am right where everyone else finds themselves every year or two. [ 04-17-2001: Message edited by: Abbott ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Dube Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 I would go with the Geforce, hands down. Their driver support is excellent, and now that their the big kids on the video card block, many games will be optimized to work with Geforce cards. Also, they are very easy to overclock, just add a couple of registry entries and the overclocking options are available in your display properties. FYI, go to http://www.pricewatch.com to shop around for different card options, very, very good prices. I've ordered from several different companies thru pricewatch, and always received great service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwacker Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 Sounds like a no-brainer to me - never upgrade a reliable, reasonably upto date system! Been there, done that, uttered many expletives, finally got it working, regretted the effort! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ckoharik Posted April 17, 2001 Share Posted April 17, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Martin Cracauer: ...I am not amused what the ATI rage mobility does in my notebook under Windows. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What problems are you having with the Mobily chipset? I run CM and a few other progs under WinME (yeck) and have had no problem with the small exception of Black & White which causes a flicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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