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Anything to add?

BT-xx light tank series

T-28 medium tank

T-26 light tank

T-40 light tank

T-60 light tank

T-70 light tank

BA-10 light armored car

BA-20 light armored car

Ba-64 armored car

KV-1 heavy tank

KV-2 heavy support tank

KV-1S heavy tank

KV-85 heavy tank

T-34 medium tank

T-34/85 medium tank

IS-2 heavy tank

SU-76M assault gun

SU-122 assault gun

SU-152 assault gun

ISU-122 assault gun

ISU-152 assault gun

SU-85 tank destroyer

SU-100 tank destroyer

M3 Lee lend-lease American tank

Churchill lend-lease tank

M4A2 Sherman lend-lease tank

British Matilda lend-lease tank

British Valentine infantry tank lend-lease

M3 Stewart lend-lease

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Originally posted by Tiger:

Anything to add?

Off the top of my head: IS-1, T-50, T-80, Tetrarch, T48, M-10, & M-18.

Regards, John Waters

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German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. February 1945.

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Guest Mr. Johnson-<THC>-

Take the T-44 off. Only a few were made, and It would unbalance it. They already have the T-34/85, the KV series and the Assault guns. And If BTS keeps the CM engine pretty much the same, then tanks can't cross rivers even when they should be frozen. Other wise looks good.

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T-35 land battleship

KT-7 flying tank

Each of the main T34 variants (Model 1940, Model 1941, etc.)

OT-34 flame tank

British tetrarch lend-lease tanks

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The IS-1 was originally armed with an 85mm gun, however the Red Army wanted a bigger gun so it was replaced by a 122mm gun and renamed the IS-2. Was the IS-1 produced in any quantities before being upgunned to the IS-2???

-Tiger

ps~ Kwazydog, the Red Army Handbook 1939-1945 lists Soviet wartime tank production. The IS-1 is not included though the KV-1, KV-2, KV-1S, KV-85, IS-2, in that order. The IS-1 initially had an 85mm gun, then a 100mm gun, then the up gunned IS-2 with the 122mm gun. Did the IS-1 remain mainly a "testing & trials" tank?? There were 780 KV-1S's made in 1942, 452 in 1943, none after 1943. Only 130 KV-85's were made in 1943, none after that (total KV-85 production 130). No IS-1 production is listed. IS-2 production is 102 in 1943, 2252 in 1944, 1500 in 1945.

The IS-3 production figures are not listed. Indicates production of the IS-3 began in March 1945.

The IS-85 was then renamed the IS-1 and the tanks produced with the 122mm D-25T were designated IS-2 to diferentiate them by their armament.

Ah-ha! that explains it smile.gif Thought they tried a 100mm gun on the IS-1 I don't think it was produced except for trials.

Apparently only 107 IS-1 (85) were produced between October and December 1944. The 2 produced in October were prototypes?

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Not sure about the T-35 guys, it appears it saw little combat if any. Some sources say it did around Moscow, and others say no, it was only used for internal security. I also have reference of the Germans never officially recording one knocked out.

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Originally posted by Tiger:

The IS-1 was originally armed with an 85mm gun, however the Red Army wanted a bigger gun so it was replaced by a 122mm gun and renamed the IS-2. Was the IS-1 produced in any quantities before being upgunned to the IS-2???

-Tiger

The IS-1 was never upgunned, the Soviets chose two designations to diferentiate the armament for just that purpose. We have the same problem with the KV-85,& IS-1 as both were produced in small numbers Ie, 130 KV-85 & 107 IS-85. The IS-85 was then renamed the IS-1 and the tanks produced with the 122mm D-25T were designated IS-2 to diferentiate them by their armament.

Dan, as to their service records all were sent to the front & employed in Heavy Brigades and dissapeared slowly through attrition. Due to their small numbers & confusion even in Soviet sources, these tanks are very hard to track, I'll see if i can find anything when I get time.

Regards, John Waters

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"We've got the finest tanks in the world. We just love to see the

German Royal Tiger come up on the field".

Lt.Gen. George S. Patton, Jr. February 1945.

[This message has been edited by PzKpfw 1 (edited 01-23-2001).]

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Split the T34/76 into the

T34/76 A/B model (1941-42)

and

T34/76 C model (1943+)

The turrets for both differ substantially.

Also, you may want to consider the SU76i, which was derived from captured PzKpfw III chassis

Mace

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I don't think BTS should overlook the fun aspect of including some of these 'questionable' AFV's. Unlike the Maus, the T35 was fully functional. Including the T35 in CM2 opens the doors to more 'what if' scenarios.

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Originally posted by Snake Eyes:

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I don't think BTS should overlook the fun aspect of including some of these 'questionable' AFV's. Unlike the Maus, the T35 was fully functional. Including the T35 in CM2 opens the doors to more 'what if' scenarios.

Besides, it is a test of Kwazydog's machismo. 5 independent turrets. BTS's medical plan will be buying him valium before CM2 hits the market.

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One thing though. If it is the difference between one odd little tank like the T44/43 or T35 and a major cool advance in CM, like multiple mod slots for each tank (to allow camo / plain / winter / summer / old / new mods to be slid into place without being an either / or situation) then I say dump the oddball tank and go for the multiple mod slots (or whatever the neat new advance is).

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Snake, its not that we are overlooking certain vehicles, but we do need to prioritise. The problem with the T-35 is that it would require significant coding to get it to function accurately and properly, which would take coding time away from more important tasks such as more detailed building representation.

For a vehicle that only numbered around 50 and saw very little combat if any it would be a poor use of resources to spend weeks modelling it. Don't get me wrong, Id love to take it for a spin too, but at the moment its not one of our higher priorities smile.gif Time will tell.

Dan

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Originally posted by Mace:

Split the T34/76 into the

T34/76 A/B model (1941-42)

and

T34/76 C model (1943+)

The turrets for both differ substantially.

Also, you may want to consider the SU76i, which was derived from captured PzKpfw III chassis

Mace

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I'd prefer if the 41 and 42 were on there own and the diffrent cast and welded turret of the 41s were modeled. Another pretty please would be the 1940 version with the L11 7,62cm gun.

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Originally posted by KwazyDog:

Time will tell.

I understand that BTS has limited resources. Nonetheless, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. The Forum is the place to register your squeaks, right?

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Originally posted by Snake Eyes:

I understand that BTS has limited resources. Nonetheless, it's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. The Forum is the place to register your squeaks, right?

Sure is snake, and we appreciate peoples opinions very much smile.gif

I thought it best to expand on my comment about the T-35 as Im sure its one everyone would like to take for a run, but it also unfortunately not one that is simply to put in due to its unique nature. Im not saying its off the list, but there are certinally many vehicles of more importance smile.gif

Dan

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Didn't they have a number of 45mm ATs and 57mm ATs mounted on tracked chassis open topped, like the SU-76 but earlier in the war? 1941 and 1942 I am thinking about, when the 76 was their basic field gun and the AT units had 45s and 57s. These might have been ad hoc "portees", though, on any mount that came to hand - I am not sure.

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