Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 It would seem that rebels have video cameras these days. The rebels in question are the mujahadeen from chechnya and the videos show them ambushing trucks, armored vehicles and shooting russians. This is real war. If you are squeamish then don't watch. If you are curious about real combat then take a peek. But be warned...Real people don't disappear when they are shot. It's gross but it's real. look in the video section under Russian Hell in the year 2000. It's 51 minutes of rebels shooting up russians. Please don't watch if your are easily offended by violence. I am posting for those who want more violence in games, because this shows why there has to be a line.....decide for yourselves... [This message has been edited by Valentaur (edited 08-28-2000).] [This message has been edited by Valentaur (edited 08-28-2000).] [This message has been edited by Valentaur (edited 08-28-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PzKpfw 1 Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Valentaur: It would seem that rebels have video cameras these days. The rebels in question are the mujahadeen from chechnya and the videos show them ambushing trucks, armored vehicles and shooting russians. This is real war. If you are squeamish then don't watch. If you are curious about real combat then take a peek. But be warned...Real people don't disappear when they are shot. It's gross but it's real. http://www.qoqaz.net/ look in the video section under Russian Hell in the year 2000. It's 51 minutes of rebels shooting up russians. Please don't watch if your are easily offended by violence. I am posting for those who want more violence in games, because this shows why there has to be a line.....decide for yourselves... [This message has been edited by Valentaur (edited 08-28-2000).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> And the proceeds go directly back to the rebels most likely; to help finace their war effort. Regards, John Waters ------------------ People who can smile when things go wrong have found someone else to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Author Share Posted August 29, 2000 Nahhh...It's free. As near as I can tell, the rebels are doing it to show the world that they are killing more russians than russians are killing rebels. You can watch it for free if you have real player installed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerShark Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 Val, i understand your concern about violence in games. But a game is just a game. People who become violent from playing violent games are a bit...ehm...silly and if there weren't violent games they would become violent from watching the news, reading books or playing Tetris. Sane people will never become violent from games because they know the difference between good and evil. Although this is not a green card to make games as violent as possible, but it is something to think about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Bailey Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 I tried to view several of these films with my Real Player V. 7 but only got sound - no video. Anyone know what is wrong? Thanks, James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Author Share Posted August 29, 2000 Sorry Shark, I guess I was posing it just as a question...Myself, I prefer realistic violence in games. Right down to the death quiver. I just want people to understand that real death is ugly. In games I guess it should be scalable from the realistic to no blood....Everybody is different. For Combat Mission, I would say that it is just right as it is...For now...In CM2 maybe a dead body for every figure would be appropriate...I guess I'll wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerShark Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 Aah ic, well it's getting late here and i don't read any sentence no more (well actually i do but my brain doesn't want to understand it anymore ) My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystiverse Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 the more violence the better understanding of what war is really like.but we play war games for fun and death does not need to be depicted in great detail or you might find that the game has become something more like a bad trip than a fun stategic situation.2 cents worth.is this going to lead back to anything CM related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbott Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 Hmm, "Real Player" is not working on the videos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtualfreak Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 actually i think that film is a propaganda campaing against the russians by chenya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Author Share Posted August 29, 2000 Hmm works for me guys...Give a little time to buffer up....It will be a black screen while it does this. and then it should play. It's in arabic (got it playing right now) but the action is clear enough.... [This message has been edited by Valentaur (edited 08-28-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PzKpfw 1 Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Valentaur: Nahhh...It's free. As near as I can tell, the rebels are doing it to show the world that they are killing more russians than russians are killing rebels. You can watch it for free if you have real player installed....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ahh All is saw was 10pds English or 20.00 US. Figured it was the norm to get money for their effort, in the first conflict they had to pay the mercinaries etc which was done mostly with private/public funding IIRC. Regards, John Waters ------------------ People who can smile when things go wrong have found someone else to blame. [This message has been edited by PzKpfw 1 (edited 08-28-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Author Share Posted August 29, 2000 Yeah John, I thought the same thing until I went to the videos page...They are selling a CD for money too,however...notice about half way through the video when the guy shoots three rpgs at a bdrm and misses all three shots!!! Funny how they yell ALLAH AKBAR!!! after each shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 And one of thier other titles : The Children of Iraq - Exclusive NEW feature on the Children of Iraq being slaughtered by American extremists. Even worse, it includes photos too. This isnt stuff we need to see, its enough know it happens in our world, its sad that people need to sensationalise other people suffering and pain in this way. Anyways, this is way off topic I guess. [This message has been edited by KwazyDog (edited 08-28-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pham911 Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 There's a big intellectual difference between watching the movies Dawn of the Dead, and Faces of Death. One is entertainment, the other is the equvillant of a snuff-flick(at least judging from the box blurbs, as I have never seen the the actual film). I've no problem with violence in video games, but it's really take it or leave it. If the game isn't ultra gory(like CM), it can still be a great game. If the game is super gory(like Soldier of Fortune), it doesn't make it a better playing game because of the gore. Regardless, as I've sort of drifted from my original point, video of rebels killing people has nothing to do with make believe violence in games unless the game uses full motion video to show actual footage of people being killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Author Share Posted August 29, 2000 Yeah, Kwazydog, you're right. But it is history in the making when we live in an age where anyone with a video camera can post their own combat footage to be seen by the whole world. Also have to respect how religeous fervor can offset training. Lock it up if you must. I guess I need to find some WW2 footage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbo Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 Valentaur: Well thank you for a timely reminder of the horrors of war. I have no desire to see more gore in CM and I am glad as hell I live in a peaceful country. For those who havnt watched it I would echo Valentaurs warning and go further and urge you NOT to watch it, somethings are best left outside your brain and these images wont go away for a long time. I still feel sick after seeing the Russian Prisoner executed. _dumbo <still numb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Author Share Posted August 29, 2000 You're right guys, I apologize if I have offended anyone. I am pulling the link out of my original post. This is off topic. I was originally interested in the fact that rebels actually carry video cameras around on their ops. Once again it was in poor taste and I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Author Share Posted August 29, 2000 oops double post [This message has been edited by Valentaur (edited 08-28-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 Valentaur thats ok, you were just posting something you thought may be of interest to some and probably wasnt aware of the content of some of some of the pages. I have some links here on WW2 footage Ill see if I can drag out for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest KwazyDog Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 Here we go, hehe Check out these, some pretty cool panzer footage from WW2 http://www.geocities.com/wittmann63/clips.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbo Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 Valentaur: Absolutley no apology needed for me. I understood your intent, I was only trying to give an extra warning. Anyhow no offense taken. cheers _dumbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valentaur Posted August 29, 2000 Author Share Posted August 29, 2000 Holy Smokes. Thanks Kwazydog! Great footage! Especially the Sturmtiger firing. Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggi Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 Soldiers should take a good long hard look at this footage to know what happens when you lose. Good training material. Every Russian soldier should see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggi Posted August 29, 2000 Share Posted August 29, 2000 I just saw the part where the captured Russian was executed in cold blood. Back in the 80's, I thought the Soviets were the bad guys. I was wrong. I can't loath those terrorist enough now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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