Guest Gunslinger Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 I was wondering if there is any possibility of any making a Vietnam Mod for CM? If anyone has the the gumpton for Vietnam I would like to try to make a CM Mod for it. I need the following: 1) Someone who has a great understanding of CM and it's file formats. 2) I am assuming the 3D models in the game were made using an industry standard 3d package like 3DS Max. Too rich for my blood so if anyone has access to use of a good 3d program. 3) Prefer someone who was in Vietnam and saw actual combat. If not, the next best thing would be a Vietnam history buff. 4) Graphic Artists (I can do some of the graphics work) 5) Scenerio writers. Someone very familiar with the scenerio editor This of course will be NON-PROFIT and ONLY with Big Time Software's blessing. Since I know BTS reads this forum I would like to ask now before I get too excited at this prospect. E-mail correspondance is welcomed. oii0iio@yahoo.com Also, I have an unlimted server for files so we can coordinate all the file transfers and distrubution from techware.gtinsider.com once we get the ball rolling. Any takers? ------------------ Gunslinger ;=- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 I think this is more like a completely different version of CM rather than a mod. Maybe BST will consider it for the future. ------------------ No me llamo Samuel, me llamo Pedro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 I don't think the CM engine would be suited to simulating combat in Vietnam. Straight-up battles of the type CM simulates were fairly rare. In fact, Hue and some of the other Tet battles are the only full-scale military engagements I can think of. Mmm, maybe Khe Sahn. There were a lot of patrols, and a lot of ambushes, but very few battalion-sized battles. Also, to be honest, I'm not sure a game based on Vietnam-era combat would be much fun. Just my opinion, of course. ------------------ Soy super bien, soy super super bien, soy bien bien super bien bien bien super super. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 That's what I thought Seal Team from EA was for. That was a cool game when it came out..........Anybody here play it...... -Ski ------------------ "The Lieutenant brought his map out and the old woman pointed to the coastal town of Ravenoville........" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Teamski: That's what I thought Seal Team from EA was for. That was a cool game when it came out..........Anybody here play it...... -Ski <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Loved that game. For its time it was great. Very suspenseful at times.... ------------------ Land Soft--Kill Quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. Johnson-<THC>- Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 I don't think the CM engine would be suited to simulating combat in Vietnam. Straight-up battles of the type CM simulates were fairly rare. In fact, Hue and some of the other Tet battles are the only full-scale military engagements I can think of. Mmm, maybe Khe Sahn. There were a lot of patrols, and a lot of ambushes, but very few battalion-sized battles. Don't forget the invasion of Cambodia. 11th Blackhorse I think. How about a cold war era game like 1947-1988. and I think CM could handle it with a few tweaks. Esp. with more powerful CPUs by saw 2004, 2008. hehehe man I think too far ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorak Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 one thing people have to remember also. Is that all the armor, firepower, ect.. is hard coded into the game. So you can dress any thing to look like you want. but it will always be what it was. So in your VN battle you still going to be fighting with the americans (same FP) and the Germans(same FP) the only thing you can do is change their clothes... Now if you don't mind every VC unit having a LMG42 then fine. Just want you to know what the deal was. Lorak ------------------ Proud commander of the CCT's Chinchilla Commando Teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Gunslinger wrote: > I would like to try to make a CM Mod for it. By the sounds of it, you would like lots of people to volunteer to do it for you. David ------------------ There's a splinter in your eye, and it reads REACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Ahh sealteam, the very first game i bought. Bought it in a top ten pack for 30 bucks. I loved it ------------------ The names Ash, Housewares [This message has been edited by Ash (edited 09-01-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunslinger Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 >By the sounds of it, you would like lots of >people to volunteer to do it for you. Wow, remind me to not ask you anything in the future. I'm into flight sims and Falcon 4. I am a member of F4 Alliance which makes new mods for F4. We all pitch in and create new stuff for the game. That's what I was wanting to try here, you know, a combined effort project.. but nevermind if that's the type of reception people are going to give me. Didn't mean to piss in anyone's cornflakes. ------------------ Gunslinger ;=- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rune Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Gunslinger, It was a nice thought...but not possible. The tanks and guns and etc are hard coded into the game. It would take Charles a re-write of the engine to do more modern weapons/tactics. Maybe in the future we will see one...I personally am lobbying for a Korea War CM. T34s vs Shermans anyone? I do appreciate what you guys are trying to do for Falcon also. Rune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Gunslinger said: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Wow, remind me to not ask you anything in the future. I'm into flight sims and Falcon 4. I am a member of F4 Alliance which makes new mods for F4. We all pitch in and create new stuff for the game. That's what I was wanting to try here, you know, a combined effort project.. but nevermind if that's the type of reception people are going to give me. Didn't mean to piss in anyone's cornflakes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Gunslinger, This forum has plenty of people enjoying a bad day. Don't take it personally, and please don't think it reflects the community as a whole. [This message has been edited by Pillar (edited 09-01-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Aitken Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Gunslinger wrote: > Didn't mean to piss in anyone's cornflakes. I'm glad about that... I prefer to eat Cornflakes with my own piss. David ------------------ There's a splinter in your eye, and it reads REACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamstersss Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 First off, a little clarification. Pillar, you made a weird post that weirded me out, as well as quite a few others, I'd wager. Gunslinger, this board's understanding of a mod is different from that of the mod communities out there. As BTS hasn't released any development tools, there's little customization available other than changing faces, uniforms and camo patterns. When guys like Gunslinger talk about mods, they're talking about doing total conversions using the 3D engine and basic framework of CM but creating their own weapons, vehicles, etc. To do this, you either need some support from the developer (BTS releases a development kit) or someone hacks into CM and figures out the formatting. Before anyone starts to talk about this being immoral, mod makers don't warez the game, they just make full-featured add-ons for it. Hence, if someone made CM:Nam, you would still have to buy CMBO, then you would download CM:Nam. This is why Half-Life has enjoyed such longevity. I've brought this issue up before and would love to hear BTS's take on it. ------------------ Did someone compare this to the Ealing comedies? I've shot people for less. -David Edelstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Morgue Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 I would like to say something , i've seen it mentioned in this and other threads also that there weren't many Viet Nam battles that are suited to CM's scale. There were years of divisional size operations , with plenty of battalion and company size battles. What you didn't have very often was divisions banging heads , but CMs scale of battalions and companies size battles happened often. Just my 2cents worth , but i was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pillar Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 "Pillar, you made a weird post that weirded me out, as well as quite a few others, I'd wager" You're starting to sound like Dr. Seuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunslinger Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Elijah, Thank you for pointing that out. I'm going to wait a few days and see how the general response is. If most people just want WW2 then I'll just make my own home brew conversion and keep it to those who ask. I'm not offended by those who don't think it could work. When Sports Car GT first came out (Sports Car Racing Sim) there was ALOT of problems. Bad tracks, 3D models, stupid AI and so forth. However, the developers (Image Space Inc) were very helpful to me and after a few months I had created several add-ons and conversions. I was then approached by the company for employment after they saw what they thought couldn't be done, done. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, I'm just saying that when someone says "it can't be done" I laugh in there general direction. If you can think it...you can do it. Now if the developer says "I don't want you doing this" then I'll respect that and pack-up my toys and go home. The MAIN reason I want to make a Vietnam Mod is for two reasons. I was born in 1973. This is the closest war that has happened in my life time (That had a duration of more than a few weeks) so I would have a better understanding of it. The second reason is the 1960's/ late 70's era were I feel a special time in American history and too many Vietnam vets paid the ultimate price with there lives or there sanity and got no ticker tape parades or pats on the back like the WW2 vets did. I don't feel that's fair and would like to honor them in my own way. Politics aside you can't deny a lot of bad mojo happened in that war. If you want to know more of what the 60's were like, and your too young to have been there (like me) I suggest reading Stephen King's new book "Hearts in Atlantis" ------------------ Gunslinger ------------------ [This message has been edited by Gunslinger (edited 09-01-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zulu1 Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Elijah Meeks, "Before anyone starts to talk about this being immoral, mod makers don't warez the game, they just make full-featured add-ons for it. Hence, if someone made CM:Nam, you would still have to buy CMBO, then you would download CM:Nam. This is why Half-Life has enjoyed such longevity." In case you didn't know it, code is like something a writer produces and is copywrited and protected. It is ILLEGAL to use any tools to look at the developers code without his or her permission and make any changes to it. The developers of Doom and Half-Life IIRC allowed the community to use their code to made mods and new levels etc. If you read the legalities that came with CM, BTS allows thew use of of a single copy of the software on a single computer. If BTS opens the code and GRANTS permission to use their code, then you can make mods. Also, if you do a search, you will find that Nam has been discussed to death. Bottom line, it's not going to happen from BTS. CM1 thru 6 are already planned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunslinger Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 >It is ILLEGAL to use any tools to look at >the developers code without his or her >permission and make any changes to it I did ask for permission. I am just waiting to see the answer. ------------------ Gunslinger ----------------- [This message has been edited by Gunslinger (edited 09-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamstersss Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Zulu, Your post added nothing to the discussion. As was all ready stated, this cannot be accomplished without the help of BTS. As to your little ditty about, "This has all ready been discussed," that's not true. We aren't discussing BTS making a Nam game, we're talking about enthusiastic fans doing it. There's nothing wrong with this and guys like you who spout off, acting like you have some kind of say in the matter because you were here when another discussion involving similar matters occured, don't do anything but turn posts negative. ------------------ Did someone compare this to the Ealing comedies? I've shot people for less. -David Edelstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Just so you know this subject came up a while back and BTS was pretty clear that they weren't going to allow anyone to go hacking into their executaele to make mods. in fact CM consists of one directory of BMP (skins), one directory of of Wavs (Sounds) and one executable file which is under four megs. So if you were to make a mod the only thing to distribute would be the executable (plus any graphics and wavs) so that would be the whole game just about. It would be foolish of BTS to piss away all their effort by allowing someone else to take their. exe apart to make new games. Though I'm sure someonew ill try and might even suceed. They've already laid out te next few years of work with various new theaters. WHile a modern one has not been ruled out, it's a tad far off at this point. And whoever thinks Vietnam wouldn't make for interesting battles because there werent very many bn level actions or the CM engine is not suited is woefully lacking in an understanding of history, combat and CM. Los [This message has been edited by Los (edited 09-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Zulu1 Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 Thanks LOS, As we have both stated, BTS has proprietary ownership or the code and have stated in the past that they are not going to allow anyone to hack the code. This is illegal, no different than hackers taking games and posting them as warez. So, Elijah, my comments were pertinant to the thread. Is you would use the search tool, you would see this has been discussed in the past. As far as "There's nothing wrong with this and guys like you who spout off, acting like you have some kind of say in the matter because you were here when another discussion involving similar matters occured, don't do anything but turn posts negative." WTF does this mean? Do you really think Steve and Charles have nothing better to do than answer threads that have been discussed before time and again? Again, use the search tool. Or listen to people who have seen this topic discussed before. Its a dead horse and it's not going to walk again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunslinger: > I did ask for permission. I am just waiting to see the answer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You already know the answer. It's no. Nada. Ain't gonna happen. BTS would be fools to let people hack the .exe so they could release their own free versions. My .02 And yeah, they've been very clear on this in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chupacabra Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Los: And whoever thinks Vietnam wouldn't make for interesting battles because there werent very many bn level actions or the CM engine is not suited is woefully lacking in an understanding of history, combat and CM. Los <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Gee, thanks very much. I see now that I am a complete idiot, with no understanding of any of these three. My professors will be so ashamed. Excuse me while I go burn my degree. Moreover, I will never again state my opinion on this forum, for fear that I will demonstrate my own inate stupidity and sully the entire CM community. If I'm wrong about something, I'd like to be told, and I'm often wrong about many things. But you really don't have to be a jerk about it. ------------------ Soy super bien, soy super super bien, soy bien bien super bien bien bien super super. [This message has been edited by Chupacabra (edited 09-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gunslinger Posted September 2, 2000 Share Posted September 2, 2000 >BTS would be fools to let people hack >the .exe so they could release their own >free versions Two things. Phoenix, First of all your missing the point. The POINT is that you would have to have the CD for the add-on to WORK.. This a GOOD thing for BTS not BAD.It promotes sales. Zulu, Second thing. You come off as some overworked exec or ocersexed adolescent child who bought his PC at Best Buy or Circuit City and don't really have the slightist clue as what how anything works, but you learn new cool PC buzz words from magazines and go around "oooohing" and "ahhing" your AOL buddies with your vast clueless knowledge of the "evil hackers" and "code offenders" (Or whatever new PC Magazine buzz word of the week you have learned. You are a person who thinks that anyone that does anything slighlty different is a "hacker" and a warez dood. No, releasing a mod like that is not the same damn thing as a "hacker" releasing warez. Do you KNOW what a hacker is? A hacker is NOT some one who releases warez. A person who releases Warez is a courier or a group. No word hacker any where in there. People who make cracks for games and keygens are.. Crackers. People that release warez ARE worthless scum that should be sprayed with a 1000 PSI water hose until there wee wee falls off.. But, on the other hand, A hacker is a person who sole purpose is to "hack" into another companies computer system. The US Government, and Governments abroad have been using them for years for spying as well as corporations to get the info on competitors files. Before you come in here trying to act like your *in the know* how about reading up on things so next time you won't seem so foolish. ------------------ Gunslinger ------------------ [This message has been edited by Gunslinger (edited 09-02-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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